Who will/should Obama pick as running mate?

Explain to me how this ‘McCain has many houses’ thing is supposed to be campaign gold? I seriously don’t get it. John Edwards lived in a freaking mansion and claimed to be one of the common folk, and that had no traction whatsoever. John Kerry has homes alll over the world, and that didn’t have traction either. And they had the added liability of campaigning against the rich, so their own personal fortunes smacked of hypocrisy. Ted Kennedy is, well, a Kennedy. That makes him filthy rich. Hell, there are Rockefellers in the Democratic party, and no one cares about their wealth. Why should they care how many houses McCain owns? If you haven’t figured out by now that the highest levels of government are full of rich people, grab a clue.

John McCain isn’t being a hypocrite. He likes rich people, and he’ll tell you that. He’s married to a very wealthy woman, just like Kerry.

Seriously, I’m not getting it. Someone please explain the political value here. And while you’re at it, explain how this isn’t going to open up Obama to a McCain attack along the lines of, “I may have many homes, but mine weren’t acquired through shady deals with convicted felons”?

Oh, and I thought Obama was going to run a clean campaign, with none of the dirty tricks and character attacks of the past. I guess that’s non-operative now too, huh?

You don’t see how a guy might be painted as out of touch during a difficult economic period when he is asked how many houses he owns, and says ‘I don’t know?’

You’re talking about the John Edwards who finished a distant second place in the 2004 primaries, became an unsuccessful Vice Presidential candidate, and then finished an even more distant third in 2008? I think he never got a whole lot of traction himself.

The depiction of Kerry, he of the windsurfing, as wealthy, elitist and out of touch worked pretty well.

Remember how Edwards got expensive haircuts? I heard that mentioned one or two or maybe several hundred times. This is way beyond that.

Any effort McCain continues to make about Obama’s “elitism” has instantly become laughable. What could be more emblematic of “elite” than to not even know how many estates you oversee. It doesn’t need context, it’s easy for people to digest, easier for comedians to make jokes about, and makes an easily reusable soundbite. People are already comparing it to Bush I’s supermarket gaffe (“Ooohhh” Lookee the neato scanner-hoozit"); it’s brilliant shorthand for “Out of Touch”.

Uh, how is it a “character attack” to remind people that McCain is rich? I thought conservatives thought wealth was a good thing!

This ain’t dirty. Obama’s not questioning his patriotism, his experience, his level of service to the country, his faith, comparing him to Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Moses. No, he’s pointing out to the country that this man, John McCain, admits not having much of a clue about economics, says that $5 million is rich, and now claims not to know HOW MANY HOMES HE OWNS.

You guys believe what you want. I’m looking at this from a purely strategic standpoint, and I think it’s a bad move for Obama. The reason the “Kerry is an elitist” thing stuck is because it reiniforced the stereotype of him. It’s not going to work with McCain, because he doesn’t show a lot of pretension, doesn’t attack the rich, and because people feel he’s paid his dues.

This was tried on Reagan as well. It fell completely flat. It was tried on Bush, and fell completely flat. Because it didn’t fit the image.

I love “TheGuy” trying to act all casual about it:

TheGuy: I’m not sure I want to leave Delaware.
KaineDeeMan: O FU dude
BayhCurious: delaware’s the size of a friggin parking lot, man
BayhCurious: you can leave delaware by accident

I think it’s a bad move for Obama too, because it raises the issue of his own home-buying drama. But I do think this reinforces the idea that McCain doesn’t know what’s going on generally (old! senile!) and that he’s economically out of touch as well.

You’re missing that McCain is the one who STARTED this whole “elitist” food fight. The fact that he doesn’t even know how many houses he owns makes his OWN accusations of elitism sound stupid. Obama isn’t coming up with this out of the blue. It’s a response McCain’s own bullshit attacks on Obama. McCain’s throwing stones when all 7 of his houses are glass.

Oh, and thanks for your concern, Sam.

From TNR:

It doesn’t matter who ‘started’ it. This isn’t a playground. You’re trying to win an election, right?

Look, the strategy is pretty simple: Reinforce your strengths and your opponent’s weaknesses. Amplify the fears of your opponent and minimize the fears the public may have of you.

McCain goes after Obama’s ‘elitism’ because Obama comes across as an elitist. It has nothing to do with money. It’s all about attitude and presentation. Fred Thompson is rich, but if you try to attack him as an elitist you’ll fail, because there’s nothing about him that would create that stereotype in the first place.

McCain’s strength has nothing to do with whether or not people see him as being rich. It’s going to be hard to paint him as an elitist, because there’s nothing about him that would make you think that of him in the first place.

The ‘elitist’ attack on Kerry worked because Kerry exuded elitism. He spoke thickly when simple speech would work better. He had an aristocratic air about him. He was somewhat of a braggart.

George Bush Senior was vulnerable to the ‘rich and out of touch’ label, because he too exuded that. He came across as an eastern rich snob, so when they caught him marveling at a grocery scanner, the meme of being ‘out of touch’ stuck. His son, on the other hand, is every bit as rich and privileged, but attempts to paint him in the same fashion fell utterly flat because Bush junior comes across as a good old boy who chops wood, and at worst as a hell-raiser who liked to drink and party.

McCain is vulnerable on his age. He’s vulnerable on his temper and demeanor. He makes a big deal about being a maverick, so he’s vulnerable to charges that he’s not. Painting him as a rich guy? No one cares. His personal wealth and buying habits are simply not issues voters are going to care about.

Obama’s strength is his intelligence, his speaking ability, and his promise to be a new kind of politician - a uniter, someone who puts behind all the divisions of class and race and brings everyone together. He’s vulnerable to any attacks which call that into question. He’s also vulnerable to damaging his own image by engaging in a campaign style that reminds people of the same old political crap they’re tired of.

In a way, Obama has put himself in a box - as long as his brand requires him to attempt to stay above the fray, he can’t fight back as hard as McCain can. So he has to use some Ju Jitsu moves in the campaign - if McCain attacks him as an elitist, his answer should be more along the lines of this:

“This is the same old attack we’ve been hearing for decades. I understand why they use it - it’s cynical, and it works. And why do they call me elitist? It can’t be because of my background, because I grew up poor and John McCain was the son of an admiral. It can’t be because of my work, because I chose to work in my community helping poor people rather than join a prestigious law firm. It can’t be because of my money, because John McCain probably loses more money in his sofa cushions than I have. I guess it’s because I have a good education and can articulate my thoughts well. But I think the American people would actually like that in a president. They’re tired of having a president who has trouble mustering the words in defense of America. And to paraphrase Barry Goldwater, “Education in defense of America is a virtue.” The real elitists are those who think that the American people want a dumb, folksy president. I happen to think the American people are very smart, and would like a smart, educated person to lead the country.”

Note how a response like that reinforces all of Obama’s strengths, chips away at McCain’s ‘maverick outsider’ image, and keeps Obama from damaging his brand. The call-out to Goldwater would make independents and Republicans happy, and the’re some subtle patriotism in the mix. It would also make McCain look small for the attack.

I’ll accept cash or cheques for my consultancy fee.

I didn’t say I believe it. I explained how it’s going to be portrayed, and why the Democrats think it will work. And if you didn’t believe me, the Democrats have already sent out their first email containing the quote and video clip. Whether it works or catches on or not, I don’t know. But they’re hoping this is going to be on par with “I voted for the bill before I voted against it.”

Regardless, this is probably material for a separate thread. I know we’re all just marking time here, but we should make some effort to keep this on topic.

Sam Stone, I hope someone sends YOUR post to Mr. Obama, because you nailed it.

And of all things, I’m traveling tomorrow, so I will have no shot at being the first Doper to post the news. (I made up a post Tuesday morning and have had it all ready to go since then.) So this might be my last pre-frenzy entry in this thread.

Looking back, I still think my favorite choices were Sebelius and Schweitzer, followed a little further back by Kaine. The first two are probably both out. If we pretend for a moment that Obama might do something really crazy… I’ll work in my prepared post as I say this:

…and the warm bucket of donkey spit goes to “somebody who’s independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House” with strong economic credentials.

Unsurprisingly, I disagree with Sam Stone. This day is a glorious day. If there is to be silliness in a campaign, this is the right way to deal with it. This is not jiujitsu- it is Aikido. Wait until your opponent starts moving in a way that is good for you, and then allow his own momentum to carry him to the ground. The McCain camp is throwing wild haymakers in response to mild insults, and it is apparent that Obama’s people have had this particular tool in the utility belt all along, just waiting for a potential opening.

Anyone who looks at the “seven houses” ad and then reads the McCain camp’s response to it gets a good idea of how things are going to go.

Oh, crap, Marley, I’ve been meaning to call you …

The Republicans call Obama an “elitist” because it’s code for “uppity nigger.” It has nothing to do with Obama’s presentation (unless smart is a “presentation”). And “attitude?” In what way shape or form does he have an elitist “attitude?” Is it because he speaks in complete sentences? Should he dumb it down?

Speak for yourself. He’s a child of privlelge and he married even more of it. He’s got a wife who’s so mortified to have a couple of middle class half-sisters that she won’t even publicly acknowledge they exist. The more salient point, though, is that McCain has no right to call a guy who, by his own definition, is not even rich, who was handed nothing and earned everything himself instead of inheriting and/or marrying it an “elitist.” McCain has now thoroughly discredited himself from being able to take that line of attack (which, as I said, has never been anything but racist code anyway).

This is all true and it does tend to be the way Obama responds when you see complete speeches or read transcripts, but the media doesn’t put answers like that in its news loops.

By the way, what happened to McCain saying he wasn’t going to resort to negative politics. What was with all those sputtering, scattershot sleazy attacks today? What’s with those assholes trying to invoke Rezko? How lowball can they get? They’re actually making false insinuations of unethical behavior What kind of raving, unhinged psychopaths are running that campaign. I guess losing brings out their true colors. Still the Dems have taken too much of that kind of garbage for too long from those people. I think Obama needs to take the gloves off and bitchslap the old cunt and put him back in his place. It’s time to dust off the Keating Five and the abandoned first family.

I disagree with the first point. I don’t think that “elitist” is code for “uppity nigger”, although I can see how that is. I think the elitist tag is thrown around as shorthand for “out of touch”. In the office, we throw it around as the most mild insult ever.
“Oh, you went to Burger King? I was hungry. You should have asked if I wanted something, you elitist.”