Interesting Pro-Biden article from David Brooks. He makes some very good points.
Biden? Biden? Crap.
Welcome, President McCain; try not to get mud on Senator Obama as you walk into the White House…
Who am I kidding? of course he’ll wipe his feet on yet another failed Democratic candidacy.
F*cking Biden.
I think the points about Biden’s working class cred are very salient.
I really like Biden, I’ll be glad if this is true.
Good! Good! Good!
I’m really not sure where the hate is coming for Biden. He talks a lot and had some bruhaha in 1988 - 20 years ago. And?
It’s not like Obama could have picked the best VP of all time!!!111 I mean, who else is there already? Whoever sounds good on paper usually fails dramatically in some other sense - skeletons in the closer, taking away a vital position from the Senate, etc. The only way Obama would have had a harder choice is if he is Republican.
I’m telling you guys, you’re going to end up appreciating Biden. Mark my words.
I’ve said it in the other thread, but I don’t think this really even matters to people. If it did, Dennis Kucinich would be president.
Anyone else get their text message? Am I the first?
Are you talking about for good OR for ill? If only one, which?
Two words: Dan Quayle.
A mediocre or even bad* pick for VP isn’t likely to doom a nominee’s chances. I mean, if he nominated Charles Manson or Osama bin Laden, it would be one thing; I think maybe even Hillary Clinton might have been polarizing enough to have actually damaged his chances (in addition to the whole “knife in the back from your own running mate and her husband” factor), but I doubt picking a white male six-term U.S. Senator is going to throw the election one way or the other.
*I’m not necessarily saying I think Biden is a bad choice; I really have no strong feelings about it one way or the other.
Just got the text message…It’s Biden.
Two words back atcha: Walter Mondale.
He’s relevant, because Bush 41 ran against him, and won handily. Handily, because Mondale carried not only the loser stench of Carter, but of the same Old Democrat, old-pol, Hubert Humphrey lineage that has torpedoed Democratic candidacies time and again. The same stench that Biden carries.
In a single gesture, Obama has cast aside the mantle of “a new kind of politician,” and what should have been a close win will go down as yet another defeat snatched from the jaws of victory.
Biden! He might as well have picked John Kerry.
I don’t follow you with respect to Walter Mondale.
He was Jimmy Carter’s Vice President, both when Carter won and when he lost (for re-election). I sort of doubt Jimmy Carter would have beaten Reagan in '80 if only he’d had a better Vice Presidential candidate.
In ‘84 Mondale was the Presidential nominee, not just Veep. Obviously the person nominated for the top spot is very important–I certainly wouldn’t be terribly confident of the Democrats’ chances if Biden were their nominee for the Presidency–but my point is, I doubt a Vice Presidential nominee is likely to do much to drag down (or lift up) a Presidential nominee.
Hehe 13 pages wasted, I nailed it in the 6th post, we should have stopped there 
What’s wrong with Biden? I’ve been following politics very closely for about 8 years now and I don’t really feel that he’s a bad choice. He goes on TV a lot and makes a lot of sense about how stupid Bush’s foreign policy choices are. I always find myself agreeing with him generally.
When it comes down to it, Biden was my favorite between the top four. Think about it this way, the press doesn’t even give a shit enough to figure out McCain’s top four. But for Obama it had pretty much been Sebelius, Kaine , Bayh and Biden. Bayh was a horrible match politically and Sebelius too unispiring. Kaine I don’t know about.
At any rate, I certainly can’t see how Biden is a “HORRIBLE CHOICE!!!11111”, nor do I think he’s perfect. Had I had my 'druthers I’d pick Richardson. But Biden is my number two pick. I’ve always respected Biden, so I think this is an okay choice.
Oh and I do think it is a good pick. It is all about perception on Obama’s biggest weakness. I know the devout Dems around here are still thinking about Vendetta, and putting a hard-core young idealistic lefty ticket to rub it in the faces of the Pubs, but Obama cant think that way.
He has to do what it takes to win over the white middle-class uncommited voters who decide most every election, and those people showed nervousness with Obama’s foreign relations experience with the recent drop after the Russia-Georgia crisis.
If he hadn’t picked Biden( or someone with foriegn relations and get-things-done cred) The election would have turned into “The Russian nuclear bear is roaring again, do you really want a food-bank lawyer and [insert ivory-tower stereotype here] to stand against them?” And in my opinion it would have been lost on that single issue.
:eek: Sam Stone is Canadian!?! :eek:
He doesn’t even have a vote! That’s a pity for the Grand Old Party - losing such a loyal camp follower for reasons of geography.
Great pick! I got my Obama email at 5:05 am. When the race began, Biden was my “too bad he hasn’t got a prayer cause he’d make a great president” choice. I suspect he’s the one the Pubbies least wanted to see. No more free ride for John Senor Droolcup McCain.
Now here’s the 64 thousand dollar question…Do I still have to go to class today?