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. They’re just very very friendly and don’t have a lot of sense of… reservedness. And the majority of time, it’s not a bad thing. **It’s just big personalities that were never told to be small. **
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Emphasis mine.
You are a good kid. Keep it up.
If I did as I was told and acted how people told me to act back then, I would never get the compliments today on my smile. I wouldn’t have the player next to me say “I like you, You are a lot of fun.”
Black people WERE put down in our society, maybe, just maybe, them being louder, more boisterous or more enthusiastic is a direct response to people telling them for so long that they were animals.
I’d have thought that the answer to VC03 was prtetty obvious. A great many people believe that one can communicate with those who are particularly dense by speaking S-L-O-W-L-Y and L-O-U-D-L-Y. Given the special cluelessness he brings (with such horrible frequency) to the questions he raises about the black community, I am sure that most of them, when they encounter him, simply perceive him to require that manner of address.
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I am given to understand that Klezmer also helped bring about/shape the Jazz movement also.
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Gotta love those jews too then! One of my favorite styles of music, Psy-Trance was pioneered by Israelis and has a lot of middle-eastern music theory in it.
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Ah, but I’m Northern Irish, we should have oppression by the cursed English in common to talk about
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That’s a stereotype, you oughta be ashamed! Not all Africans were oppressed by the British, some were oppressed by the French, the Belgians, the Dutch, The Portuguese.
I don’t know that being put down by society would result in people being more loud. Maybe, maybe it’s an attempt to ‘make our voices heard’. People talk about Black Africans being quiet, but are they quiet in Africa, or only when they are expats? Documentaries about Black street culture LOVE the montages with African tribal dances. (There’s one of those stereotypes again) The dominant cultural meme in America is Anglo, and the Anglo culture puts an emphasis on being reserved. So in comparison to anglo culture, most cultures are loud. Northwestern Europeans and the Japanese are the quietest cultures I have experienced. Maybe black culture is just loud in comparison to the anglo-saxon dominant culture here.
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While I hate to interrupt the politically correct lovefest that has ensued telling us what we already know about how stereotypes are not entirely correct. It brings me to wonder what is so bad about asking about how boisterous black people are? bet if I went out on my street (I live in a black neighborhood) and posed the same question without painting it in a negative light people would probably have some interesting responses.
I think it is more acceptable to be boisterous in black culture, not to keep it bottled up inside, than it is in white culture. Far from being a negative, this had brought us, Jazz, the Blues, Hip Hop, Rock and Roll, Techno, Funk, Krumping, Tap, and a whole host of other aspects of our current culture that I happen to be rather appreciative of. Certainly I have met plenty of quiet black folk. I see them regularly, but proportionally I see more loud black groups than I see loud white groups. It just seems to be a cultural thing, a difference in the way people express themselves. It’s neither good nor bad, but I don’t think it’s such a sin to notice it.
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Though you may, in the context of this thread, wax multicultural, in real life, we live in a monoculture, and boisterousness is frowned upon in our culture. Those who are boisterous, then, are viewed as trashy, and lacking manners. That’s what’s insulting about starting a thread to complain about loud black people (because as ywtf pointed out, it’s not really a genuine “question”). Yes, there are a lot of trashy black people. What’s the point of starting a thread to single out blacks for a particular trashy behavior, even if it is apparent blacks disproportionately exhibit it?
[QUOTE=Indistinguishable]
Nobody really thinks that if I say “There are a lot of redheads in my class”, I’m reducing their entire personality to nothing more than the color of their hair, as if they have no personhood beyond that.
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Hmmm, how do I find out more information about this class?
I am not a good whisperer. I’m always afraid people can’t hear me when I whisper because I can’t hear them when they whisper. And when I get excited, I can be kinda loud. I don’t turn heads in public with my loudness, but sometimes at work people say, “Dang, monstro. You don’t have to shout.” That usually makes me laugh, which only makes me seem louder.
I don’t think it’s a race thing, for me at least. Maybe I’m going deaf?
I am not a good whisperer. I’m always afraid people can’t hear me when I whisper because I can’t hear them when they whisper. And when I get excited, I can be kinda loud. I don’t turn heads in public with my loudness, but sometimes at work people say, “Dang, monstro. You don’t have to shout.” That usually makes me laugh, which only makes me seem louder.
I don’t think it’s a race thing, for me at least. Maybe I’m going deaf?
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Same thing with my husband - and he’s a white long haired hippy fuck. He usually shouts (at least it sounds that way to me). It’s a side effect of a firecracker incident that went horribly wrong in his misspent youth. He is almost deaf in one ear. Makes for some interesting discussions - people think he’s ranting when he’s just trying to hear himself - er - yell. Wait - that doesn’t sound right. In any event, our conversations may sound loud to some people but that’s because he can’t hear.
Well that, and sometimes when he drinks too much he yells too but that’s because he’s being a jackass.
Can we talk about the lions again? I like lions…they’re cute.
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Actually none of these questions are anything like asking why blacks are louder than everyone else. These all can be answered factually, using empiricism and deductive reasoning.
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Well, assuming that blacks really are louder than everyone else, then that question can be answered factually too. Either that, or all the world’s anthropologists need to dust off their resumes and look for honest work.
If two groups are different…if white Americans and black Americans consider different speech volumes acceptable in conversation, then that difference had to have started at some point, for some reason. And it’s at least theoretically possible to figure it out.
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If two groups are different…if white Americans and black Americans consider different speech volumes acceptable in conversation, then that difference had to have started at some point, for some reason. And it’s at least theoretically possible to figure it out.
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Why do folks in the Mediterranean talk with their hands a lot? Why are there more Spanish words that end in “o” than English words? Why do white people clap on the 1 and 3, instead of the 2 and 4? Why are cardinals red and not blue?
If two groups are different because of different histories and different socioeconomic and sociocultural environments, with different mores and customs, then asking “why” erroneously presumes both groups should behave the same way. Whenever I see one group of people partaking in an activity that others do not (to the same extent), I chalk it up to cultural differences associated with ethnicity or class or some other factor.
[QUOTE=mswas]
While I hate to interrupt the politically correct lovefest that has ensued telling us what we already know about how stereotypes are not entirely correct.
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Oh, no - he pulled out the trump card. We’re “being politically correct”; therefore everything we say is de facto wrong. :rolleyes:
I think whining about alleged “political correctness” is the new American pastime.
Let me have some fun with this. Let’s assume the OP has a legitimate observation.
The first item that comes to mind is that black people love to verbalize. I get that from all the rap from the “hood” I hear, and Johny Cochrane to name a few sources. If you got the jive, flaunt it. I really believe that we get a lot of popular poetry from American blacks who seem to excell in that area.
Lets explore the other possibility that explains why people speak more loudly than others… I refer to my parents who are pretty deaf and quite embarrassing for me in public. My wife is a human resources administrator for a big box store and her coworkers have a big laugh that they share with her when my parents shout at each other in the store. No question, loss of hearing results in louder talking.
So, if there is any merit to the observation (I haven’t heard it but I don’t have a large sample to observe) we need to look at the ears of American blacks. Judging from what I’ve seen on TV and limited real life experience, blacks have smaller ears. Or, I’ve never seen a black with big ears other than when some of them used to insert round plates. If black males have larger dicks, (I haven’t heard of any studies refuting that assertion) why can’t they have smaller ears ? I don’t think that anyone has studied that.
Assuming the hypothesis has merit, we can look to the environment that American blacks came from. West Africa. That is jungle country. Have you ever heard how loud the animals are in the jungle? In the movies? You hear screeching and roaring that can freal you out. No wonder that west African blacks needed to subdue their hearing to survive.
Haven’t bothered with the thread, frankly, don’t have the time to do so. But in direct answer to the OP, unless he considers us Spaniards, “black”, I can assure him, that on the whole, we can outshout any race and/or nationality in the world.
Don’t believe me? Easy, get on a flight to Madrid, go straight into a ‘copas’ bar/pub/tasca (easy enough task as there are about four per block throughout the whole city) and try to get a drink without shouting. Might as well turn into a camel if you don’t.
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Oh, no - he pulled out the trump card. We’re “being politically correct”; therefore everything we say is de facto wrong. :rolleyes:
I think whining about alleged “political correctness” is the new American pastime.
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No, it’s just the right-wind equivalent of Godwin’s Law. When a liberal can’t rebut an argument, but doesn’t have the intellectual integrity to admit it, he calls his opponent a facist. When a conservative can’t rebut an argument, but doesn’t have the intellectual integrity to admit it, he calls his opponent PC.
[QUOTE=lowbrass]
I blamed both. Please read again. I said I I don’t know which made me cringe more. That’s quite different than saying “One made me cringe and the other did not.”
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True, my apologies. I should have just said that I don’t know why you felt the “blacks” vs. “black people” part to be cringeworthy at all; it seems to me all the cringeworthiness was in the actual content, and attaching any blame to the particular use of “blacks” is just projection from that.
I cannot figure out of The Flying Dutchman is joking or not. With anybody else, I’d be totally sure it was a joke but the Dutchman’s has been known to post of things of which he admittedly knows nothing about with much authority.
Help me out Dutch, was that live or was it Memorex?
[QUOTE=Indistinguishable]
True, my apologies. I should have just said that I don’t know why you felt the “blacks” vs. “black people” part to be cringeworthy at all; it seems to me all the cringeworthiness was in the actual content, and attaching any blame to the particular use of “blacks” is just projection from that.
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Yes, you made your position abundantly clear, and I disagree with it. Are we done now?
[QUOTE=Miller]
No, it’s just the right-wind equivalent of Godwin’s Law. When a liberal can’t rebut an argument, but doesn’t have the intellectual integrity to admit it, he calls his opponent a facist. When a conservative can’t rebut an argument, but doesn’t have the intellectual integrity to admit it, he calls his opponent PC.
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