Why are black people so LOUD?

I would guess it has less to do with ethnicity and more to do with regional behavior and social backgrounds.

Half of my family (all pasty white folks) are from the rural midwest: they are the loudest human beings I have ever met. The are much less restrained than the more uptight folks that live around me in the big city. Doing everything with great gusto seems to be a display of appreciation and friendship. If they are loud around you, they like you. My family doesn’t have much to offer as far as maerial tokens of affection, but one thing they can offer you is enthusiam.

Umm, yes? Or, perhaps, no? Maybe?

He professed that it was a serious question. As I mentioned above, had I known (or recollected) the serial nature of his serious question, I would not have reopened it.

I did, in PM, state that if it was reopened, it was going to the Pit. He agreed. I did not see his agreement until I got home from work, at which point I moved and opened the thread.

My feeling was, basically, “OK, be carefull what you wish for.”

Ah yes. If it’s not “an inarguable fact that black people are louder than any race or group”, then there must be absolutely no cultural differences between anyone anywhere. That makes so much sense. Did you have to go to school to learn how to think that clearly and construct such logically devastating arguments, or is it a natural talent?

That’s how James Earl Jones gets those deep, rich, robust farts.

For years I’ve been meaning to read Why Black People Tend To Shout to get the answer to this questions, because like Vinyl Turnip I’ve noticed the same thing. Especially in the malls where I work. The past week allowed me to see the contrast between two very different malls…one in downtown Cleveland, and one in Sandusky. The Sandusky mall is predominantly white, while the Cleveland mall is predominantly black. Downtown, it is standard procedure for the black teens to shout to each other from floor to floor, and to continue a conversation while one person stays on the ground floor and another rides the escalator. The girls are always trying to create drama, and if a crowd of girls develops, there will always be one who will start shouting or speaking loudly enough for a crowd of boys halfway down the mall to hear. In the Sandusky mall, the place would be teeming with teens, and I could still hear the music playing. No one was shouting, not even the black kids, and never did any crowd form. I was in a kiosk, so I was right out in the middle of things, and had plenty of time to observe…in fact I was taking notes. One time in the two days I was there, a group of kids got loud and starting calling each other out (“I know you didn’t just say that to me, bitch.”) but it was one of the three black girls doing all the drama, not the seven goth white kids they were with. I also observed a lot more hand-holding between couples in Sandusky, even the old people, but that is a generalization for another thread…can’t remember the last time I saw anyone downtown holding hands.

So maybe the better question would be "why do black teens in malls tend to be louder and more dramatic than the white teens, and why do some black girls feel they have to have the attention of every person in the mall?’ Not every black teen, and there was one white girl at Sandusky in the crowd of goth kids who also was making sure every guy in the place could hear her voice and look at her. But in general, when there is a ruckus outside our downtown Cleveland store, it is never ever the white kids. We had a tour group of 40 white suburban kids in the mall today…never heard a peep out of them (though they did try shoplifting at several stores.) and didn’t even know they were in the mall until another store owner came over to warn us of their thieving ways. But when the same size school group of black band kids came through the mall a few weeks back, you could hear the noise level rise as they got out of the Rapid station downstairs, and continue to increase as they rode up the escalators, and then decrease as they headed out onto Public Square to go to the Convention Center…if you ever wanted to hear the definition of groundswell, that was it. And the teachers were just as loud, and made no attempt to have the kids keep the noise down, unlike the white teachers with the group today, who only had to remind a couple boys not to run through the mall.

Now we don’t get crowds of Korean kids, or Italian kids, and everyone can be noisy at family gatherings or at sporting events. But my limited observations (if 40 hours a week is limited) of teenagers in malls makes me conclude that it is more likely the black kids (and especially the subset of black girls) than the white kids who are making the noise.

Unless it’s St. Patrick’s Day. Then the noise level never drops all day, and it’s almost all drunken white kids.

This humorous post of yours makes me wonder about something. There are a number of racists I’ve encountered who “justify” their racism by the Bible. Then they launch into how Blacks have developed differently from Whites. Finally, they start griping about the schools teaching that demonic stuff called Evolution.

It’s enough to give you a whiplash shaking your head. They explain their prejudice by using Evolution and then complain about Evolution!

But INDIAN people can shake their heads without injury. You see, they have this extra muscle in their necks… :smiley:

White people talk like this.

But black people, black people talk like THIS!

If the OP had been anything like that, there might have been some flack, but far less than what he got. In reality, the OP was more like “It’s a fact that black people are by far the loudest people in the world, and you can’t deny it, so trying to do so will be ignored. Why are they so damned loud?”, and he therefore deserved the flack.

No, you’re absolutely correct: there is a middle ground. And nothing I said implied that I think there is no in-between. In case you were too dim to get it, I was mocking the people at the other extreme from the OP.

To hear most of the reactions in this thread, you’d think it’s a sin to even hint that differences do exist. No, you can’t even say that some differences exist some of the time. Not, that is, if it might look like you’re trying to phrase your point as an objective statement. If so, people will accuse you of making unfair generalizations; there’s no in-between to a lot of people. Instead, the only thing that will keep everyone from indignant outrage is to preface your observation with “This is my opinion, and probably totally wrong, but…”

But some observations can be objective (and true) without being generalizations. That’s all I’m saying. And it may seem plainly obvious to you, but there are plenty of people in this thread who could stand to see that gray area. There are plenty of stereotypes that apply to my ethnic group. Most don’t apply to me, but I can certainly recognize where they come from…I recognize that although I may take exception to a generalization, some things are stereotypes for a reason.

On the other end, would I go so far as to claim that blacks are “inarguably” the loudest group out there? Of course not…unlike the OP, I’m not a dick.

Red bolding mine.

The section in red is a dramatic and completely dishonest mischaracterization of this thread’s OP. VC03 made no attempt whatsoever to qualify his statement, or to present it as merely a personal observation that might benefit from further discussion. The premise of the thread—that blacks are louder than everyone else, and generally in ways inappropriate to the social setting—was presented as unarguable, objective fact that merely needed to be explained, rather than examined. If you’re going to start a discussion like that, you should expect to get smacked down.

I think we should try to hook up VCO3 and **kittenblue **. They’d have a lot to talk about. Maybe send them to the Mall of America for a field study.

Seriously? I have never seen this directed at white people on subways in Seoul. Those Pusanites sound quite aggressive. (I have, however, been snapped at when talking in English to my other Korean American friends, but that’s another story.)

Koreans always accuse Chinese people of being loud, for some reason. Seoulites accuse country people of being loud. It’s a wonder we aren’t all deaf by this stage. :rolleyes: The most obnoxious people I’ve run into on the subway are usually either Korean middle/high school girls, middle-aged Korean women, or drunk Korean university students.

I’m confused. I am one of two white nurses in my unit-the rest are black. Indeed, the entire rest of the staff are black,except for one white secretary.
The black older staff all drink coffee and are quiet. The younger black staff, some drink coffee and some are loud. The ones who are loud are very loud indeed. Does this mean that coffee helps make you quiet? But I don’t drink coffee (it gives me terrible heartburn), and I am quiet. But now–my brother does drink coffee and he is very loud and very white; the black doctors are quiet, and they also drink coffee…such a conundrum: I’m likely to be up all night about it!

No, these threads are more:

Doper 1/OP: I think many things are wrong with black (occasionally another ethnic group. but usually black) people. I’d like to share my views so other people will agree with me that black (occasionally another ethnic group. but usually black) people are really fucked up. Perhaps if I point out one way that black (occasionally another ethnic group. but usually black) people are weird/stupid/wrong/etc. and put it in the form of a “question,” it will seem like innocent curiosity.
Dopers 2, 3, and 4: That’s a stupid “question,” and here’s why.
Doper 5: And, no, you’re not fooling anyone either.

A bit confusing, but I think we’re getting somewhere. Do they use cream & sugar? It could be that damn Equal that’s doing it.

Yep.

I would only get it in Seoul on an uncrowded bus or subway car. Luckily that’s a rarity most of the time in Seoul. It’s a very common occurrence in Incheon and on the KTX (Korea’s high speed train), depending on the time one travels or how far into his cups the complainer is. I don’t travel too far on the subway in Busan as my apartment, my school, and my church are all just a few stops away from Seo-Myeon–there’s not enough time to worry about starting a conversation, let alone ramping up the volume.

:smiley:

Today I shared a bus queue with a Nigerian fellow and his two young boys.

Boy, were they loud. Ear-splittingly, bone-rattlingly, deafeningly loud.

Almost as loud as the fucking moronic hockey fans that are out in force tonight.

Why the fuck are those people so fucking loud?

Even at the fucking gas bar, "PACK OF PLAYER’S LIGHT KINGS AND A 6/49 QUICK-PICK! GO 'NUCKS!"**

Fucking hockey fans. Why can’t we build a ghetto for those assholes?

OK, so maybe the OP wasn’t as tactful as he should have been, but…

Can we agree that on average a certain ethnic or cultural group could be louder than another? I think this is a valid, testable hypothesis, and worthy of discussion and or experimentation.

I think it’s obvious that the OP meant on average black people are louder than white people, not that every black person that ever lived is louder than every white person who ever lived.

If someone said, “It’s indisputable that seatbelts make automobiles safer modes of transportation,” I wouldn’t expect anyone to opine, “Well my neighbor crashed his IROC without his seatbelt, and he’s fine.”

I think on an academically minded message board, members should not be chastised for discussing controversial theories.

Al Sharpton is by far the loudest person I’ve ever encountered. He’s even louder than my friend Joe who loves to exclaim as loudly as possible how perplexed he is by his Irish Catholic/Jewish descent. But Al Sharpton takes the cake, his voice is booming even when he’s just chatting.