Why are Jews still hated so much around the world outside of the U.S.?

The reason Jew hatred still exists, even in the West, is because class hatred is still socially acceptable. There’s nothing surer to get the masses mad at a minority than for that minority to dare to be more economically prosperous than the majority despite facing discrimination.

Thinking that French Jews are more loyal to Israel than to France does not scream anti-semitism to me.
It depends what is meant here by “loyalty”.

For example, many Jewish people I meet are extremely reluctant to criticize anything the Israeli government does, but will criticize the British government (I’m a Brit) as much as the next guy. On that basis they are more “loyal” to Israel.
Of course a significant reason for this form of loyalty is the feeling that they are the victim and vulnerable Israel needs all the support it can get.
I don’t hold it against them, but hope that it will change over time.

Nonsense. Antisemites hate poor Jews as well as rich ones. And America tends much more towards worship of the rich than “class hatred”.

America as a whole is not particularly anti-semetic. And the Jewish stereotype is not of the poor Jew. It’s like saying people who hate black people hate rich black people as much as poor black people. But the stereotypes that drive that hate are not of the rich black guy on Wall Street, it’s the ghetto dude with his pants around his knees and his cap turned backwards. Likewise, the Jewish stereotype is the long-nosed shyster.

Now the dual loyalty thing is interesting, but also not a reason to diss on Jews, because almost every distinct ethnic group has that problem. if you’re just a “white” American or a “black” American of indeterminate heritage, then it’s easy for you. But if you have a specific attachment to a foreign country, there will be some conflicting feelings when your country and that other country have disagreements. Ask any Irishman.

Which foreign country do the Irish have a specific attachment to that has had disagreements with the RoI?

OB

Good ol fashioned Jew-hating doesn’t really exist here in the UK in any widely-recognised form IME. I mean no doubt there are individuals who will serve up some anti-semitism, and in areas like Prestwich or Stamford Hill you’d probably find more of them, but overall it would be a real fringe sort of viewpoint. This lack of a common anti-semitism currency just seems to be down to Jews and Jewish culture in general being really low key here in the UK, not prominent in any way. I’ve heard plenty of alehouse racism over the years, but never any anti-Jew comments that I can recall.

Even things as simple as Jewish jokes don’t really work here IMO - we sort of get them but don’t really understand the stereotypes. An old school guy like Jackie Mason can get away with playing here just on basic comedy talent, but I doubt his act really resonates with 99.9% of the audience. Someone like Sarah Silverman just wouldn’t work - *e.g. * her gag ‘I was raped by a doctor…which is bittersweet for a Jewish girl’ :confused:

Anti-Israel sentiment is a totally different story - hear that all the time and the terms of debate are framed entirely differently to what you would hear in the US.

I have to doubt those findings, or at least any inference of anti-Semitism here. Jews (at least noticeable ones) are not common in the UK and hardly ever a topic of conversation. I’ve never heard any British person express negative opinions about them. I just can’t see more than very tiny number of people caring enough to actively dislike Jews. Besides, the Nazis hated Jews, and the Nazis are our very favourite baddies.

It is sad that people hate anyone for their beliefs, color, country of origin, culture etc. Some Christians believe that Jesus will come again, and convert everyone, but they do not apparently read their Bible , where Jesus is quoted as saying," I will return in my father’s glory with his angels, before some of you standing here see death" It didn’t happen, he also is quoted as saying the world would end in that generation, some think the word generation doesn’t mean as we know it today, but Matthew used the same word for generation, when he said there was 14 generations between David and Jesus. So either Jesus was misquoted or didn’t know. and surely, if the sun would no longer give it’s light our planet would not survive with out the sun, nor could the moon turn to blood etc…

Jews are hated in Thailand? The Philippines? Sri Lanka? China? Japan? Iceland? South Africa?

This is fairly natural, I think, in the same sense that I (an ex-pat American Jew living in Israel) will readily criticize the Israeli government (which is after all the one that has to take care of my daily life) but hold back on criticizing the US. This doesn’t make me a US double-agent in Israel.

I suspect that most (not all, but a significant majority) of rabid Israel-haters have simply found an acceptably PC channel for their anti-semitism.

I think one of the reasons is that a lot of the visible UK entertainers who are Jewish don’t really stand out as such and can be aggressively secular - I mean, who knew Helena Bonham Carter or Daniel Radcliffe were Jewish? Or Stephen Fry!

I live in Melbourne, Australia, which has a Jewish population of between 60-65,000, one of the higher outside Israel and the US. Jews (because of the need to live within walking distance of their synagogue) tend to congregate in certain suburbs, and these suburbs are regarded as upper middle-class nowadays…property values generally start at around $700,000 and go up from there.

The suburbs are also home to most of the orthodox Jewish schools and the students at these schools are always represented in the highest achievers list for the final year of high school (VCE). The kids are, by virtue of their amazing VCE results over-represented (in terms of their numbers in the community) in elite courses at university and go on to become doctors, lawyers, pharmacists and business executives.

Apart from that, they wear weird hats, eat weird food, and are horrible drivers.

What’s not to hate? :stuck_out_tongue:

When I’ve lived abroad, I’ve continued to objectively weigh things that the GB government does. I wouldn’t hesitate to openly criticize any daft policy.

Of course, and as I already said, it’s not quite the same thing, as Britain doesn’t feel quite as vulnerable and in need of support as Israel does.
That’s why I understand why many Jews feel they must give uncritical support, but still feel it is flawed.

The idea that there is any significant amount of anti semitism in the UK is utterly retarded, no matter what Ibn and his alleged polls may think. There just isn’t.

I exclude from that our Islamic immigrant population who are 90% anti-semitic.

There is quite a bit of anti-Israeli sentiment but that is a completely seperate issue.

It is often separate, but not always. Anyone who singles out Israel for special condemnation is probably motivated by more than just concern about world issues. There are a lot of border disputes, a lot of occupations, and a lot of small scale wars. If the KAshmir or Chechnya situations merit a shrug and the Palestine situation merits outrage and activism then it’s fair to wonder what the motivation is.

Or, to quote myself from a few posts above;

I guess it depends on where they are coming from. When I hear wild accusations about war crimes and aggression and genocide it pretty much paints “jew hater” on that person’s forehead. When I hear concerns that are actually valid, like worrying about settlements or whether Israel uses disproportionate force, that’s different.

If you must hate somebody, and many people feel the need, the anti-Semitic bandwagon is easy to hop on. There’s lots of company.

Hey, I’m worried about the settlements and about the use of disproportional force… those are not the people I’m talking about.
Which I thought I made clear when I said I was talking about “rabid Israel-haters…” :slight_smile:

I suspect part of the problem is that, when Jews were banned from owning land in Europe, they had no choice but to become merchants and bankers and so forth, and thus established themselves as a middleman minority, and such groups are rarely popular.

This is in addition to the stuff about their being heretics, Christ-killers, etc. Persecution made them insular, and being insular made it easier to hate them, since there was little daily contact to soften the prejudices.

Another factor is, it is easier to hate someone after you have done them an injustice. Hate builds on itself. Pogroms and so on lead to more anti-Semitism, not less.

Regards,
Shodan