Why are the Trump defectors having such little impact on the polls and Trump's chances?

I already did. Do you want me to write an actual speech for you?

Apparently all the problems the Black community faces can be eliminated by giving them a good talking to!

A dialog that opens the door to discussing real solutions in an honest and frank manner woild be productive, I agree.

Yes, but it is not considered a condemnation of all white people, or of white culture that there are “welfare queens” (which there actually are not, as welfare doesn’t actually work that way, not since the 90’s, but there are many who like that term and visualization, so stick with it, even though it is not rue). But, you said that you knew some black girls that said that they planned on getting pregnant, and use that to smear all of “black culture”.

The idea of calling someone “white trash” is to say that they are not behaving the way that white people should. So, why not the separation between black people who do act the way they should, and those who conform to the stereotypes that you have illustrated here?

“The dog ate my homework” is really not a good excuse, previous answers do not deal with the evidence posted later that shows that your anecdotes are not really the whole story.

Some bullet points would be nice. At least a thesis or a premise of content.

Your solution is as vague as saying that we should fix our schools and reform the police.

Sure, we should, but that’s just hot air until you actually get down to actual specifics.

I appreciate the thoughtful response.

What do you say to people who respond that the most profound impact on the kind of negative attitude/behavior your describe is due to generational racial discrimination that continues to affect black people in their every day walk of life?

Clearly, not all kids you taught behaved in a self-destructive manner. What, in your experience, made the difference in behavior and attitudes between students who succeeded vs. those who failed to thrive?

I do see what you mean. I wish people would try harder to hear you out before jumping to conclusions.

If I may junior-mod a bit, we are straying far from the thread topic, which is about Trump defectors and Trump’s prospects in this upcoming November election, not some societal talk about race, poverty and inequality.

This certainly deserves a topic of its own. But you know how we get when we’re on a roll… :wink:

Moderating

This is NOT the forum for deliberately trying to antagonize your fellow posters. No warning issued, but just a reminder to keep things as civil as possible in here, please.

I haven’t noticed people saying “the democrat party”. I figured they were speaking of the Democratic Party, and didn’t know the difference.

If you’re in “Trump country” and surrounded by gun totin’, Confederate flag wavin’ MAGA folks, you aren’t going to advertise the fact that you have become dis-enamored with their hero, not if you have any sense that is. You will, however, either vote democratic or simply not vote Republican. Ironically, Trump could suffer the same fate that Clinton did in 2016 when people simply decided not to vote rather than vote for her.

The whole “Democrat party” thing as a subtle troll of Dems is at least as old as Newt Gingrich.

My response would be that people do, for the most part, respect character. I will never make the claim that there are not racists and generally bad people in the world. But they are far out numbered by the people who want to do the right thing. I was fortunate to have that mindset beat in to my head as a kid, and through my adult life I have become further convinced that it’s true. The times I have encountered outright racism, oppression, however you’d like to describe it, represent such a small part of my total experience that it may as well not factor in to my evaluation and judgement of society. Have there been times when a white person may have, behind my back, made some comment about me that was racist? Of course, I don’t doubt that at all. But again, weighed against my total experience with the white population in America, I have to believe these represent a relatively small minority of people or I simply would not have had the successes I have had. Unless of course it all comes down to sheer luck, which I grant is statistically possible :rofl:

If I can offer an anecdote, I had a very enlightening experience just prior to the last presidential election. I was offered a job that could be described as dominated by white people. There is virtually zero black representation in this particular field. Through the southwest to the southeast with stops in the midwest over a two month period, with a group of all white men. Admittedly I had some reservations going in to the job, but the pay was right and I decided if it really wasn’t working out I could just quit.

It was in the run up to the election so the political and social climate was charged, much like it is now. Most of the places we visited were towns and cities where Trump signs vastly out numbered Clinton signs. At the outset of the trip, race came up among me and the the guys I was traveling with. They remarked that it was interesting a black guy would even take the gig. After that, not much else was said on the issue. I inferred that some of them were Trump supporters along the way, but we never got in to any heated political discussions. They never made me feel unwelcome or uncomfortable because I was some black guy from the north. By the end of the trip, I was fond of all of them and I still talk to a few regularly today.

Likewise, the nature of the trip saw us staying in all kinds of random hotels, and bullshitting in bars along the way. Almost every night I ended up meeting new people (again almost universally white), and my experience with them was the same as I had with my work mates. No one was ever rude or hostile to me. No one made my race in to an issue, and no one got on my ass about being a democrat. The two things I thought might be issues (my race and political affiliation) really didn’t matter. I was offered another gig with the same guys later and took it on the spot.

I have had enough experiences like that through life in general at this point that it’s impossible for me to see the world as this cruel, oppressive place that’s holding me down due to my skin color. I know full well that that’s not the easiest point to get to, but in my opinion it’s the healthiest and most productive outlook you can have as a black man in America.

I didn’t post it, but way to completely ignore my point.

You jest, but seriously it is an important factor:

The Hustle recently spoke with Success and Luck: The Myth of Meritocracy author Robert Frank, a Cornell University Economics professor, in an effort to determine just how much luck comes into play with career and life success.

‘I consider luck to be anything that you’re not responsible for. Something brought about by chance rather than your own actions.’

Firstly, Frank discusses that most individuals who have a higher yearly income are far less likely to attribute their success to luck. Just 22% of this financially successful group believes they can attribute their victories to luck, as opposed to 50% of people with a lower income.

And it’s not as if Frank believes that talent and hard work don’t matter at all. You’ve got to be in it to win it, and in fields like IT and sales where numbers speak volumes, you have to have the skills to match. However, luck might get you in the door, and keep you an inch ahead of the competition.

‘Most of the time, the hardest-working and most talented people aren’t the ones who experience the most success. There are a ton of people who are nearly as talented and nearly as hard-working as those people who probably just got a little luckier.’

Luck can come down to the tiniest of circumstances and factors, which start coming into effect well before we’re born. For example, if you’re born later in the year and thus one of the youngest in your grade, then you’re less likely to achieve a leadership position simply because you’re up to a year younger than the other kids. But other things like height, also play their role in success.

Sorry, I confused you with another poster. I will address your point now.

You know how immigrants often take on American names when they apply for jobs and go to school to help them assimilate in to American culture and the work force? It’s helpful in part because people assume (perhaps incorrectly) that someone with an American name like William is more likely to speak English and understand American culture than someone with a traditional Japanese, Chilean, or Russian name. The name itself implies some things about that persons background and willingness to assimilate that is appealing to employers and peers.

You can call that racist, bigoted, nationalistic…whatever you like, but it is true and on some level even practical. The same thing applies to names traditionally associated with other groups of people. When you see Cleetus on a job application, sure it’s possible that Cleetus is an Indian American with a PhD and not a hillbilly…but that’s not the knee jerk reaction of the average manager going through job applications.

lol, good one

I mean… seriously… what’s so offensive about this?

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

C’mon, who’s more likely to need shootin’ Trayvon or George?