Why are there no (good) female comedians?

'Scuse me. Let me clarify. I shouldn’t jump right to love (never worked for me IRL either :smack: ). I guess what I’m trying to get at is this idea that we can all be our wonderfully funny selves and spread warmth and wit and (oh, just incidentally) find love and/or friendship somewhere in there.

Well, guess what…my experience is that unless you’re supremely well adjusted and have the gift of being all things to all people socially, that is asking an awful lot of life. Most of us are probably going to do better trying for superficial hookups by making noises like a jerk if we’re male, or shooting looks like a hottie if we’re not.

My favourite Rita Rudner line, recreated flawfully from memory:

Phew! I had to log in just to make sure that Paula Poundstone DID get mentioned.

I haven’t been around here long enough to have deciphered many genders amongst the posters. I’m wondering if many of the folks that have a tough time finding women funny are female or male…

I (female) find that many male comedians leave me wondering why anyone thinks they are funny. Too much “my girlfriend is so useless” and “everybody else is just a jerk” humor for me. They, in my opinion, are just as guilty of being non-inclusive as women are. There are good and bad in both genders, but I tend to find women MORE humorous, because I can relate to their styles better.

And, please. What is this with the idea of “femininity” having anything to do with humor? Somebody has to look a preconceived way in order to be funny? I’ve never considered a person’s looks to be a part of their humor, unless they choose for it to be a part.

/Confucius on

What is a man if not the sum of his actions? :slight_smile:

/Confucius off

My favorite comics have always been women because the best of them are so honest and make me laugh at myself. When Elaine Boosler talked about hiding her panties under her other clothes at the doctor’s office, I fell out of the chair. I was busted. Paula Poundstone is at her best interacting with a college audience. What a riot! Rita Rudner does everything from a woman’s point of view. I understand if men aren’t that interested, but I love it! Janeane Garofalo has broader interests and can be so on target. And Ellen is primo! I think she’s very womanly – a very gentle person. And I look forward to wild, wild Silverman’s program.

Anyone here like Sarah Vowell? I’m not sure if that is exactly her name. She is on Letterman sometimes. Very unusual. Kind of twisted, weird and fascinating. She’s a writer too.

Earlier today, I said …

I was flipping through the channels, and stumbled on a stand-up performance by Diane Ford on HBO. Within 30 seconds, there was a period joke. A minute, and she was talking about how men want to dominate the remote control.

'Nuff said.

There was a female stand up I saw years ago-an overweight black female named Catsy something other other. I found her pretty amusing.

I hate Paula Poundstone.

Oh, and I just heard that Chelsea Handler is getting her own show. Now THAT, my friends, is a sign that the end of the world is near.

You know, I can only think of one funny female stand-up comedian (comedienne?) off the top of my head, and that’s Ellen DeGeneres.

As other people have mentioned, most of the jokes from female comedians seem to be aimed at other women- “So, I’m in the Supermarket trying to decide which brand of tampon to buy- and aren’t there a lot of those? (brief digression regarding “who actually stands there and seriously thinks about which one to buy?”), when the youngest- she’s only 18 months old, buy the way- starts bawling her eyes out because she wants a Chocolate Yummy Bar and they’ve only got the Honey Yummy Bar… they never have any Chocolate Yummy Bars, yet they’re the most popular! Couldn’t they just order more? You know what I mean, girls!”- which alienates 50% of the audience right there.

It’s an interesting question, given that there are plenty of women who are hilarious in TV or Film, but just don’t seem to work as Stand-Up comedians…

How is she going to fit that into her busy schedule of being a commentator on every single show that VH1 produces?

The “women like funny men” meme scares me. I’m a guy, I’m not a joker, I’m not funny, & if a woman wants someone to make her laugh, I’m not it.
Also, it seems to me that a lot of guys’ senses of humor are more about being cutting or gross. My sense of humor is more random & observational, not particularly gross-out or insulting.

I like stand-up comics. I at one time or another have been particularly big on Jake Johanssen, Rita Rudner, Paula Poundstone, Ellen DeGeneres, “TV’s Craig Ferguson,” Zach Galifianakis, & Steven Wright. I also like Jerry Seinfeld, Billy Connolly, Robert Wuhl, Victoria Jackson, Elayne Boosler, Carol Liefer (I am so showing my age), Eddie Izzard, & Aisha Tyler (who is, I know, a writer & actress as much as a stand-up, but that kind of humor).

Of comic actors, I like Paul Reiser, Julia-Louis Dreyfus, Michael Richards, the entire cast of Scrubs… & Michael Clarke Duncan (yes, the big guy from The Green Mile–he’s got a good comic delivery without being a comic).

I really don’t differentiate that much between male & female comics, except that I have at one time or another crushed on all the women I’ve mentioned, except maybe Carol Liefer & Elayne Boosler.

So, whatever.

The idea that more female comics are “excluding” the male audience is interesting. I don’t see a woman talking about her period as more exclusionary than, say, Richard Pryor talking about pussy. And he did, a lot. Women liked him, as far as I know, and white audiences definitely liked his comedy. (Maybe I shouldn’t be using him as an example because that material was more original when he was doing it.)

I’m pretty sure there are some social things at work here - something along the lines of “guy stuff is for everybody, but chick stuff is for chicks” - but I’m also sure I’d sound like a dope if I tried to explain them.

Thing is, not all guy comedians talk about guy stuff, and with those that do, it’s not the central theme of their act. With so many female comedians, their act revolves almost completely around periods, boyfriend bashing, shopping, and other female-exclusive experiences. The parallel for men would be acts that revolve around almost nothing but itchy balls, morning wood, tools, and bitchy girlfriends. Yes, male comedians might bring out such topics every so often, but far, far less frequently then female comedians drag out the tampon jokes. There’s far fewer “Man Show”-like acts than “Lifetime Network”-style performances.

Thank you! I had never heard of her and she blew onto that stage and took over the show in less than two seconds…I have never seen anyone do that before…I don’t know how long I could take that high energy, but I was having a hell of a good time watching and listening…she would be somebody I would invite to a party any day! Does she have any DVD’s or HBO specials or anything?

If it’s any consolation to anyone, this issue is awfully old. A long, long time ago the guys who hung around on open mike night, ready to eat a rat for five minutes onstage at the Punch Line, were engrossed in the same question. I think it’s very odd that many of the names being discussed (Poundstone, Boosler, Ladman, Rudner, Sykes, DeGeneres, Ford, Leifer, Madigan, Butler) have been around for going on twenty years, and a few (Tomlin, Goldberg) for a lot more. Somebody’s paying the cover charge and for two watery cocktails.

I’ll offer a couple of observations, with the caveat that I haven’t spoken into a microphone in over a decade, and never had better than a middle act’s view of things.

One: A better question might be, “Why aren’t more comedians any good at what they do?” Years after the comedy club boom of the mid-to-late 1980s went bang, and the proliferation of cable-TV venues leveled off, there’s still an astonishingly high percentage of bad comedy. In my opinion, the reasons for this are (a) It’s just plain hard to do. Many people have no grasp of the distance between the funniest guy they know and the guy who can hold the attention of a room full of drunks for twenty minutes, and make them laugh; (b) there’s a huge amount of turnover among comedians, so there are always lots of practitioners who haven’t developed much stagecraft or material, and most of them will quit before they do; © there’s very little rigor or discipline imposed that might create an actual profession out of comedy (how many jobs requiring memory, timing and articulation are so fraught with drug and alcohol use, among both practicioners and those who judge the performance?) – nobody teaches this stuff, and the Learning Annex doesn’t count. The bottom line is, audiences stand for a lot of bad comedy while they’re waiting for the good stuff, club owners tolerate whatever the audience will, and young comedians will never know the difference until they see a really good set – if they’re paying attention.

Two: A related question might be, "Are female comedians somehow better equipped to survive the process? Without addressing the question of talent, I think there’s evidence for this. Remember how so many of the names we’re discussing go back a while? Back when it was thought that every city could support four or five comedy clubs, and comedians were a hot commodity, the “talent” was almost 100% male and not that great. You had a bunch of guys doing Jay Leno’s routine, a bunch of guys doing Robert Schimmel’s routine, a bunch of guys doing Richard Pryor’s routine and a few hip guys doing Steven Wright’s routine. Not much originality, not much variety, not, frankly, much funny. Hiring women was an attempt to relieve the awful monotony on stage, both in appearance and in content. And it was an improvement. Some women who showed some chops might have moved up the ladder from M.C. to headliner a little faster, and that could have kept the better ones from quitting at the same rate similarly-received male acts did. Many of the women in the business whom I knew also had far fewer hang-ups about asking for and taking advice, and the men tended to be much more likely to be helpful to women than to men. The women also tended to be somewhat more likely to treat the job as a job, rather than as this amazingly cool way to have fun and make money and sometimes even get laid. Club owners love it when they hire you and you show up on time and sober. At one time or another, I opened for about a half-dozen of the women named so far. They were all very smart, extremely driven, except for a couple instances pretty much sober, and usually much funnier offstage than on. I thought I saw a caution in many of them that kept them from taking a lot of chances on stage, which may have made their material expand at a slower rate: there seemed to be a much greater fear of bombing. One kept detailed notes of every performance and did a show in a club once that was almost word for word identical to a show she gave in the same club a year earlier. I asked her about it, and she said, “So?” Good answer. She’s still a headliner, and I’m long gone.

The History Channel seems to think that she’s an expert on the McKinley assassination. Violet Incredible talking knowledgably about McKinley was somewhat odd. Apparently she wrote a book about it.

She wrote a book called Assassination Vacation, where she visits the sites of a couple presidential assassinations. I haven’t read that one, but I read another book she wrote, “The Partly-Cloudy Patriot” that was good.

She’s funny, but definitely not a stand-up comedian, or a comedian of any kind really. I don’t know how she would be classified. She’s an essayist (would “feuilletonist” be an appropriate $10 word?) and a contributor to NPR. Not all of her stuff is funny or even light-hearted – in the book of hers that I read was a wrather draining essay on the time she drove along the Trail of Tears. (She’s part Native-American Indian.)

Do you even have to ask?

Women are just much less funny.

I guess political correctness is the reason that this is not the only answer to the OP.

When women are in a group together they usually discuss emotional matters. When guys are in a group together they usually try to make jokes. Of course the guys get to be funnier.

Heh, a nice honest answer. :slight_smile:

Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a group of women sitting around cracking jokes with each other.

Carrie Snow was/is a largish woman and was/is hilarously funny. Saw her at a club, gosh, 20ish years ago.

She writes for sitcoms now, I believe.

You should see them after you leave. Just kidding, I hope.

Women tell jokes. To each other. In groups. Even professionally. Jenny Jones, before her talk show debut and debacle, used to use the gimmick of a couple of “women only” shows every week, and these shows were reputed to be more interactive than her co-ed act. The gimmick kept her career going much longer and farther than many thought it deserved, but the fact is that it worked for a long time, and it was her gimmick.