That is your belief and I respect that, life is a passed on thing, and one can return to part of existence as the body decays, as they were before the atoms etc. became human through their parents.
The life of a plant or any animal goes somewhere(perhaps) I do not know, but I think we were born because our parents had relations on a certain day and time and we are that result.
As for an after life as the same being we are there is no proof, just hope that there is. Since there is no proof of any human returning from brain death I accept the fact that a human’s life ends at that time. We have no real proof that there is a spiritual part of us. If it helps one to accept their death or the death of a loved one I respect their right to believe it, but belief is not fact, and because a person has what they call a “near Death” experience I think it is just a ‘near’ death experience and the brain is still registering like a dream. To each his own!!
I know a lot of people in my 80 years of existence that knowledge or love didn’t end their pain, but proper medications were a help.
Small children will wander under the nearest or run over any cliff, until they are taught the dangers of such activities. Babies are afraid of nothing. Because they have yet to be taught what to fear and what not to fear, whether it is rational or not depends on the teacher. Everyone must examine their own lives.
I don’t think we originated in jungles. But children must be taught to fear before they are capable of it. Mother says, stop that, don’t touch that, don’t wander into the street, it is dangerous and you could get hurt.
Then they never obtained the right knowledge or learned that it just don’t matter how many people love you, or don’t love you, it is the love you give to others that matters, and the more you give the happier and healther you become.
We do have the evidence now, that life continues after death. It is sure and solid.
I will leave two links that I just discovered yesterday.
Do you fear having to pay taxes? Probably not, I suspect - though you probably don’t want to pay them either. Oh dear, an impossible contradiction!
Fear isn’t a catchall word for all types of dislike or avoidance or the reasons therefore. Fear is fear. And it’s pretty easy not to fear oblivion - once you cease to exist you’ll have no problems! It’s like heaven, only without the boredom and makework. Eternal dreamless sleep from which you never wake.
Personally I avoid death for only two reasons - it would make other people unhappy (which I wouldn’t mind afterwards, but the idea of which deters me now), and the road to death usually involves pain. If I find myself in a circumstance where these are no longer an issue (which likely wouldn’t happen until I’m pretty old and able to die naturally), then the sleep of death would be a viable and possibly even attractive option.
There are a lot of real problems with all the models of ‘afterlife’ I’ve heard proposed (at best, there’s the boredom issue), but if we pretend there aren’t problems with the idea then I’d like an afterlife, sure. I’d also like a pony. I don’t see much point in pretending I have a pony, though.
Why does your starting sentence say you know why they’ve become materialists then? Good grief.
Suffice to say, that’s not why any materialist I know has become a materialist. Usually it’s because they’ve looked behind the curtain and seen the man there, simple as that.
I don’t mind paying taxes, just part of life here in the states. The afterlife is anything but boring. There is much to do and to learn. As for seeing behind the curtain, maybe so, I don’t know, but there is no deception in the afterlife.
When the book by van Lommel is published a week from today, it will contain real evidence of the afterlife. I have read his work, he was a surgeon before he became a researcher. He gave up his career to do reseach after seeing the effects of people who died, had a near death experience, and were revived during his surgeries. He is a man of great courage and inner strength, who will present the truth of the phenomenon.
Materialists are losing the debate, because they have no evidence to put forth contrary to the evidence that will be in that book. Materialists have only untestable theories, nothing more. I have collected all the theories put forth by materialists into a link. It is easy to tell from the link these theories are a shotgun approach to a real event without any real evidence at all.
I don’t mind that I’ll die - just part of life here in the human race. I’d prefer to avoid pain, like I said, and I bet you’d prefer to avoid an invasive audit, but that’s not fear of taxes, that’s fear of the audit.
You don’t fear taxes. I don’t fear death. It’s that simple.
Yeah, for the first fifteen thousand years. It’s after you’ve done it all and memorized everything that the boredom starts crushing in and gradually driving you insane.
I don’t fear death or taxes, I don’t pay much tax, since I am retired. In the spirit world there is no time or space, and you have the whole universe to play in. Then when you get advanced you can help create your own universes. I have never talked to a spirit that said they were bored. But think as you want.
I have never talked to a spirit that said they were bored either, so we have that in common. In fact you’re probably a lot more like me in this respect than you think you are.
Back to the actual topic of the thread - We have established that you don’t fear taxes, despite them being inarguably at least somewhat undesirable and as inevitable as death and taxes. Can you comprehend that I would be similarly unfearful of the state of being dead, despite my awareness that it is the end?
It, like the Bible etc. Is the words of some human, so has no impression on me. It is believing the persons not any God! The bones of animals, like humans, remain long after the animal or person’s death, no proof of humans living in another way. According to Genesis the punishment for sin was death…nothing about a soul or other life. Were that so, death should be desired and one who would kill another would be considered a hero for helping someone to a better life! You are intitled to your beliefs but that is not fact! Because I or anyone said so doesn’t make it such.
Notice you say van Lommel say’s “near death” there is a big deference between near and actual brain dead, when all organs shut down and there is no hope for revival.
Pim van Lommel’s book is due to be published next Tuesday, it has already sold 125,000 copies in Europe. You will get all the science and scientific research you want from it concerning death and near death experiences.
