If you were Pinocchio, you would be dragging nose.
If you were posting on the Straight Dope, you’d be warned for calling another poster a liar. This is against the rules in this forum, so don’t do it again.
Just testing to see what would happen. I never called him anything, and I didn’t say it was his nose. You see Czarcasm has been misquoting and heckling, bearing false witness about me on most every post I have made for years. Bearing false withness is lying, saying he knew more about my most personal experiences than I do. Belittling and generally making false statements about my site, me, and my experience, but that was OK because he was a MOD.
Just bringing it to light, so we could have a look at it. Can dish it out, but can’t take it. If this board wants its Mods to be respected, then they should act respectfully, honest, and fair.
According to your own blog, you were alone at home when a mysterious stranger came to you in the middle of the night and challenged you. You were not in a hospital. You were not at that time under the supervision of a medical professional. You did not seek medical attention the next day.
Since a medical professional did not diagnose you as being near death, I will not accept that you, a non medical professional, were qualified to self-diagnose. There isn’t an NDE study on this earth that would accept that as qualifying as an NDE.
I have read a lot about near death experiences and there is no proof that anyone whose brain activity had shut totally down ever recovered or was revived. You may have been comatose but that is not death! I don’t care that you believe you died and was returned to life, that is a help to you, but it is not proof to me!
Moderator Note: lekatt
This sort of disingenous nonsense is not going to fly, here. Your Warning was much deserved and will stand.
This accusation is false.
Czarcasm, (along with other posters), has read your blog and quoted your blog, and then interpreted the events according to the normal meanings of the words that you used to describe those events. You also have interpreted those event. It cannot legitimately be called a lie when his interpretation exactly matches your description, regardless that his interpretation differs from yours.
Have a lok at what? The fact that you have a history of interrupting threads with claims that you consistently fail to support with genuine evidence? The fact that you routinely make claims about what other people believe or know that you cannot actually support? The fact that you make sweeping statements about “science” that have been demonstrated to be false, yet you repeat those same claims in later posts?
You do catch a lot of flak from a lot of posters, not just Czarcasm, but that is because you display a lot of antisocial behaviors. Calling him a liar, then pretending that you did not call him a liar (with a claim so weak that any schoolchild would laugh at it), then repeating your claim that he has lied about you, based on nothing more than that your interpretaion of events is at odds with his understanding of the words that you have written, is simply more antisocial behavior. This is not a matter of a Mod being protected, but of you violating the rules. This is also not a matter of you “testing” anything, but one more example of you insulting posters with whom you disagree, (which always seems interesting, to me, that you so frequently insult or belittle other posters all the while proclaiming “love, love, love”).
I am not going to issue a separate Warning for your accusing him of lying, again, but I am going to tell you to take this little feud of yours to the BBQ Pit or e-mail and to stop cluttering up this thread.
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For those who want to know what the difference is between my site and conjecture put forth by Czarcasm I offer the links:
There has been a lot of evidence shown by NDE researchers. That is why this subject is so controveraisl. But you won’t find the research on skeptical sites. You have to go to the research itself. It don’t matter to me what people believe, only reality counts.
Thank you for posting the links I referred to in previous posts. These links directly support my contention that you did not have a near-death experience. You are not a medical professional and thus do not have the privilege of self-diagnosis in such an important matter. I repeat my contention that no valid study on this planet would accept your story as an example of an NDE.
I don’t know. However, humans exploited this fear of death as the basis for the religions that they have invented to swindle one another.
Near death experiences are not medical problems, there are personal experiences. They do not require diagnosis. The largest majorety of near death experiences happen outside of hospitals in car wrecks, drownings, accidents, etc. I know that millions of people are aware of that, evidently you are not.
Personal experiences are worthless for anything but your own feelings. They do not hold any significance whatsoever over the rest of the world. The fact that those personal experiences of different people are usually contradictory should be enough to show that.
Personal experiences are the only way we humans can experience the world we live in. There is no other way. Now NDEs are not contradictory, but very similar in content and nature. Millions of people have had near death experiences. That is why dozens of universities and hundreds of scientists are now doing research on them. Next tuesday Dr. Pim van Lommel will publish a research book on near death experiences that will change the face of science. The book has already sold 125,000 copies in Europe and is expected to sell much more in others countries like the U.S. after publication here. It will be a key book in NDE research, its title is “Consciousness Beyond Life.”
Dozens of universities and hundreds of researchers, but all you’ve been doing is pushing van Lommel’s book. Please stop.
The whole point of claiming such events occur is to note that a person has undergone a medical condition in which the body appears to have experienced something “near death” and you are now claiming that euch an event is not a “medical” problem.
Why do you even bother citing all the anecdotes about medical researchers if anyone who happens to feel like they have had some sort of feelings can claim an NDE?
You now seem to be trying to sabotage your own claims with this parody of all your earlier claims.
lekatt, give it up. Most here are simply not open to considering the possibility of anything other than the simplistic, so-called “scientific” take on reality.
They are just beating up on you and nothing you can say will convince them. You are wasting your time.
As I said, I DO accept the possibility that we continue after physical death in some form, and have numerous reasons for doing so, both personal (anectdotal) and otherwise, but let it be. I don’t KNOW for sure and neither do YOU or THEY.
If they prefer to assume they are nothing but meat with a pulse, so be it. If they are right, they will never know or care. If they are wrong, that is an issue to raise elsewhere. (we will sit around and whoop their ASS some fine day, eh?;))
But that time/place is not here. Not that your posts are out of line, imo, but just that you cannot win this argument and I hate to see you being torn up (esp. since I AGREE with you, but would not try to argue my point in Great Debates).
Funny story: soon after my husband died, I lost an earring form a pair he’d had specially made for me years ago. I was very upset and searched the apartment/grounds for it for days…put up signs, combed the apartment on hands and knees, vacummed carefully, went through the contents of the vac. etc…
About 4 days later his sister came over and I was sitting at the computer (as I am now) and she asked if I’d found it. I began lamenting that NO, I had not, and relating all the measures I’d taken to find it. In doing so, I bent down to indicate the floor under/in front of me, and…THERE IT WAS! :eek:
I had combed that area several times, including vacuming it, and it was NOT there.
I said, “Wow! Cool! He must have put it there/wanted me to find it!” (I still believe this to this day…he was simply sick of hearing me bitch about it :rolleyes: Seriously, I HAD searched every nook and cranny, esp. that one since I spend so much time here)
Her take (as a Jehovah’s Witness) “He’s dead, unconscious. End of story.”
WHATEVER! Same take someone who adhered to the “religion of modern science” would adopt. How interesting/ironic.
Sure, my little story means nothing in terms of evidence, but I find it funny that both a strictly religious person and one committed to “science” would reject it out of hand based on pre-existing assumptions.
Thanks for the post. It’s your story and thousands of others that are meaningful. I have been posting here off and on for several years. At first the resistence was fierce from a great many, but now the resistence is down to a handful of individuals. There are many like you who don’t speak out often due to the flak. I never let it get to me. If it starts I break it off for a while. My goal is to help others reduce the fear in their lives. You can’t help those that already understand, you have to go into the jungle once in a while.
I guess for some it might take more than a bad dream or a misplaced earring to convince some that there is an afterlife. I have no fear of death because I think I’ve lead a good life, had a damn fine time of it, and I think and hope that the memories I leave behind will bring a smile to some. I figure it all balances out in the end-why should I demand more out of the universe than I put into it?
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To be fair, it’s not a matter of demanding, it’s a matter of believing. What lekatt wants or “demands” has nothing to do with this.
I remember back in school when a Christian acquaintance of mine rhetorically asked “Would you rather come from an all-knowing being or from some monkeys that throw their own poo?” It was a stupid question then, as what I (or more accurately, him) wishes to be true isn’t proof of anything. As such, I feel we should extend the same courtesy to lekatt that I wish my acquaintance had to me.