Why cops and their unions don't care about the public

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It has become apparent to me in the several threads regarding cops and their impact on society how little they and their unions actually care about the citizens in their community.

There is one cop who keeps claiming that anything a cop does is ok. A citizen should never resist or defend against the cop as he or she is just doing their job. The only recourse is to go to court afterward if you are not dead first.

There is another thread regarding pensions. Cops (and firefighters and sanitation workers and others) are bankrupting cities with generous pensions that are still structured from 100 years ago when the retiree would only collect for 15-20 years instead of 30-40.

There are numerous other posts pointing out the “crimes” committed by the people in blue that do not results in loss of job, pension or freedom to those who are supposed to protect us. The common thread throughout all of these are the entitlement mindset of cops, the reluctance of them to make the right decision and turn in dirty and rogue cops, and the union to not think what is in the best interest of all and have a collaborative view point.

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Care to link to this specific claim?

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That’s the fault of the cops? If you had such a pension, would you be willing to give up?

Sounds to me like poor budgeting by the municipality.

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Nice broad brush. You can’t form a conclusion on such a large group based on a few comments from a negligible sample of your target population. It’s better to keep your conclusions more specific, and only about select individuals based on their personal statements or actions. For example, “UCBearcats is a fucking douche”.
What do you think is the answer to the pension problem? You think you are going to increase the quality of law enforcement by reducing their monetary compensation? If so, you’re an idiot.

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It still blows my mind that someone has a problem with pensions. Something that is paid to someone for working. A person devotes 20 years of their life to public service, they deserve compensation. The 40K per year salary is only tolerable because of the pension. Take away that pension and you’d have to pay cops at least twice that. And not just the experienced cops with decades of experience, either. How are you going to hire new quality officers withouy offering a pension or some other benefit?
What the fuck do you do for a living I wonder.

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You seem perfectly fine assuming that Rice was guilty based on flimsy evidence and requiring others to prove his innocence (Rice himself, of course, unable to prove anything on account of being dead).
Rice is not accused of anything. I’ve simply stated what his actions were, not whether they were criminal or immoral.

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You also seem perfectly fine ignoring the larger context. If the police believe that a person is a potential (or genuine) threat, charging right up to the person and shouting at them would be criminally reckless. If the police officer in the Rice case was in any way in danger of his life, it’s because he put himself there. You don’t get to jump into the tiger cage at the zoo and then shoot all the tigers because you felt you were in danger.
You do if you’re a zookeeper, and it’s your job to put yourself in dangerous situations. Zoo animals are, in fact, killed when they endanger people - even if it’s through the negligence of others. Harambe is probably the most famous one.

What law criminalises the supposed recklessness of the officers? I assume you know, since you specifically called it “criminal”. It’s part of the job of the police to put themselves in dangerous situations, for fuck’s sake.

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You’ll note in the various examples I gave where the suspects survived the police encounter the police acted with care and caution to avoid escalating the situation and took the best action to avoid a lethal outcome for anyone involved. They kept a distance at first, they talked to the suspects for several minutes, and they acted to disable where talking failed. That’s what police officers who are acting professionally and with due care for their own lives and the lives of others do. Sometimes shooting is necessary, but if your first reaction is to charge into a situation with guns blazing you’re a disgrace to the uniform.
“Disgrace to the uniform” is grounds for firing, not prosecution. Even if a cop drives up to you and points a gun at you, you are not allowed to threaten them.
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What if someone has reasonable fear for their lives due to the actions of the cops?
Are we still talking about cops doing their jobs, or are we talking about a situation such as an off duty cop in a bar threatening someone? In the former case, no, you don’t get to respond. In the latter, you have the same self defence rights as anyone else.

If you think a cop is ilegally telling you to do something, and threatening you to get compliance, then you should obey and challenge it later in court. That’s both common sense advice, and in at least some places actually the law.

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So you think there are no issues related to law enforcement, their unions, and how it interacts with the general public? There is a need to make changes to the system it is broken overall and cops that vehemently defend the status quo are a big part of the problem.

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Most cops are making over $100k with overtime and moonlighting to watch Denny’s while in uniform at $60/hr. They are well paid. The system doesn’t work as a defined benefit with all risk on the general public. I fucking care as I have to pay for these people to be retired longer than they work.

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I think if the whole system get revamped then we would have better law enforcement. Bad cops (either incompetent, corrupt or some other deficiency) need to be fired and not allowed to go to another department. “Good” cops need to speak up when then know a “bad” cop has violated the trust of general public or committed s crime. Turning a blind eye to the negative actions of their co-workers is as bad as doing the deed themself. The union needs to not force the rehiring of cops who have committed crimes and were found guilty.

If all the crap was forced out of the system, I would have less of an issue pay the quality cops for doing a good job. It is all of these things and the ways the system is manipulated to pad pensions that are unfair to the public.

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Your jealousy is showing.

Understand that part of that overtime is from showing up in court. During their off-hours. How would you feel about having to go sit in a courtroom after working all night?

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Do you have a citation for this claim? I doubt it applies to “most cops”.

“…the median annual salary for patrol officers was $58,320 in 2015. The best-paid 10 percent in the field made $96,110, while the bottom 10 percent made $33,430.”

https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/patrol-officer

What unions do you believe act according to “the best interest of all” rather than focusing on the welfare of their rank and file members?

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We all have to do things we don’t like at work. My post regarding compensation is that most cops don’t make $40k. They make well over the average person.

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Most unions are not protecting murders, rapists, and other members that should be in prison.

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Since when is a union supposed to “care about the public”? Unions are kind of like defense attorneys. Even rapists and murderers get to use them.

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That should not be a surprise. It’s a job that requires more than the average skill level, and skill level generally correlates with pay.

This thread is not going as planned, is it?

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Christ, how many police threads are we going to have?

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Got a citation for the claim that police unions are unique in supporting members charged with serious crimes and/or in instances where someone believes they “should be in prison”?

A couple examples of other unions supporting members accused of major crimes.

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Never said they are unique.

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Hey now, this is about cops, not religion. Welcome though!!

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Good grief, your reading comprehension is less than negligible. The part you quoted below does not say what you stated it did in your asinine broad-brushing and, let’s face it, fucking stupid OP.