Why did my vet (indirectly) kill my epileptic dog?

My darling little pibble, Zusje (playing with her big bro, my Rotty/Border Collie when she was just 4 months old) is dead. At the tender age of two and a half.

Long painful story as short as possible while still making sense: she had epilepsy.

Seizures are not, in themselves, particularly dangerous. Except when they cluster together over a short period of time, because there is a very strong likelihood that clusters can become what is known as status epilepticus: continuous seizures without any return to consciousness in between. Status epilepticus is deadly.

The more often a dog (or a person!) has a seizure, the more likely they are to have more seizures, more often, and the greater the risk of status and death. Therefore it becomes especially important with “clusterers” to stop the seizures as rapidly as possible. The standard way this is done is with liquid valium provided to the dog owner in rectal syringes, ready to apply as soon as seizing begins.

Zusje had her first seizure May 18. Second one 3 weeks later. Then another five days after that, then 24 hours after that, then five hours. Vet check, started on phenobarbital.

From that point forward every seizure meant cluster seizures, which also increased in frequency and intensity. Once it got so bad I was afraid she was going into SE and I had to take her to the (very expensive) emergency vet, because it was nighttime. (That was something else: with two exceptions, every single time she had seizures she had them at night, usually between 9 and midnight). She actually stopped seizing before we got to the vet but I took her in anyway to get the syringes. They gave me two, which were both the wrong (too low) dose.

But it was a damn sight better than my vet, who flatly refused to provide me with the valium. Her reasoning was vague, the only thing she would say was that it was a “controlled substance”. Yes, and…? You’re an animal doctor with a license, right? You have a DEA number, right? You know that this is the standard protocol for cluster seizures, right?

She and I went back and forth about this, and she never gave me a straight, logically, meaningful answer about her unwillingness to give me the valium, apart from the “controlled substance”-ness. She also didn’t direct me to an alternative source, nor did she give me any other actions or solutions for the issue of cluster seizures hitting at midnight, and she is 100% aware of the fact that I am extremely low-income, emergency vet visits are not something I am in any position to make a regular part of my budget.

Well, Zusje had a terrible cluster episode, and I immediately started assembling every resource I could find to prove to my vet that she needed to provide the valium- looking up veterinary colleges, scholarly papers, etc. - all of which said exactly what I knew they said: valium up the butt. Standard. I also got to work on a letter to my vet, containing every possible bit of information she could want about me and everything she needed to run her own background check, so she could see that if her fear was that I was drug-seeking, well, that fear was extremely misplaced.

But 48 hours after the big episode, while I was marshaling my arguments, Zusje went into status epilepticus. I didn’t know how long she’d already been seizing when I found her, it took 45 minutes to get her to the emergency vet, and the next two days were a nightmare that ended in my euthanizing her.

If I had had the valium, I would have stopped a few dozen seizures. If I had had the valium, I would have given it to her when she was in status while I was trying to get her to the emergency vet.

She probably wasn’t going to live to a ripe old age, I understand that. But there is no question in my mind that my vet’s irrational and inexplicable decision to refuse to provide me with the front line, default treatment for dogs that cluster absolutely led to Zusje’s death two weeks ago.

Why? What the fuck? I am a 57 year old woman, not some bicker chick meth head. My vet did finally provide one syringe during the two days that Zusje was dying… but talk about too little, too late.

So has anyone else run across anything like this?

I’ve had a three year old dog that went from no previous seizures to non stop in less than two weeks. Wound up having to put him down It sucks, and I’m sorry. I’ve also had dogs that rarely seized and lived a full life.

Managing it is expensive, time consuming, and frustrating.

Your vet wasn’t cooperative, andI’m not sure why, but you always could have went to another.

Sorry for the loss of your beloved dog, **Stoid **:frowning:

I’m sorry about the loss of your dog. Sounds like you need to look for a new vet.

I don’t know but I will say being 57 years old low income woman doesn’t in any way exempt you from being a drug addict. If she was as evasive as you say my first guess would be that’s what she was worried about. You probably should have researched for a new vet rather than trying to convince her she was wrong. Surely she knew the standard protocol as well as you.

My guess is that she wanted you to keep coming in for visits and incurring charges. I think you need a new vet.

I am sorry for the loss of your dog. My condolences.

Thanks for your condolences, all.

This vet is walking distance from me (no car), great rep, very reasonable prices. I was definitely going to bail if I couldn’t get through to her, but Zu got to dyin’ before I could make my last big pitch.

She is my second epileptic dog. My first was not much of a clusterer, he would have two seizures within 24 hours, then none for a few months. The vet I had then, being super-cautious, made sure I had five valium syringes, just in case. Never used them…he died at five from complications of one of his anti-seizure meds. Worst day of my life, just about. Right up there in any case, as was this.

My guess is that she suspected you were seeking drugs either for your use or to resell. Writing a letter showing her that you’ve never been caught selling drugs wasn’t likely to change her mind if she thought that’s what you were up to. In the future, if a particular vet doesn’t want to prescribe a controlled substance, you really just need to find another vet, one who doesn’t think you’re drug seeking, you’re unlikely to convince her by flooding her with articles and arguments.

It’s a legitimate worry but from what I’ve heard a lot of doctors tend to see it in people who aren’t actually doing anything wrong, and poor women are one of the groups that often don’t get believed by doctors.

That crossed my mind as well. If the vet was doing some kind of payment plan deal she might have thought the amount of medication required was going to be beyond your means. Coupled with the likelihood that the dog probably had a poor prognosis, she didn’t want you to get too deep in debt.

Just wanted to extend condolences to Stoid on the loss of her dog.

Did you mention that you’ve previously had an epileptic dog? I wonder if that (because I don’t know the statistics, but what are the chances of ending up with two young epileptic dogs?) and your insistence on procuring the Valium without giving the phenobarbital time to work, is what pointed to “drug seeker” to her.

We can theorize until the cows come home about her motivation, but it won’t (unfortunately) change the end result. I think going forward you need to have a backup vet plan- putting yourself and your animals at the mercy of someone who is within your restricted travel distance and is in your financial means is clearly not a good option.

I’m so very, very sorry, Stoid. I don’t have any insight on the epilepsy part, I just wanted you to know how sorry I am. I remember when you got her. She was such a doll.

So sorry about your loss, Stoid. Luckily, our dachshund with seizures only has them on rare occasions, and I can’t even remember when she had her last. Over a year ago? Also, they were always petit mal and she recovered quickly. Can’t imagine having to deal with the clusters. Awful.

The next time I meet a vet who’s worried about keeping an owner’s expenses down will be the first time.

That’s not fair, my vet is pretty good about that. But diazepam is cheap.

Well, a vet who is extending credit may only want to extend it so far.

How cheap is cheap btw? A quick look earlier gave me the impression it wasn’t so cheap (pill form seemed not expensive but that’s not what’s used in this case).

I’m sorry for your loss, Stoid. I know how hard it is to lose a pet too young.

It might be that the vet herself is under some kind of orders or investigation about writing valium perscriptions. It may be that she’s worried about having her license pulled.

It maybe also be that she thinks it’s better to put an epileptic dog down early rather than try to keep it going with increasing valium. I might even agree with her on that. It’s very sad, very very sad, but at the rate that Zusje’s seizures were increasing, this was only a matter of time.

I know what you’re going through, Stoid. I am very sorry for your loss.

How’s Preston doing?

Was the vet extending credit? I didn’t see that.

I might have been too hasty asserting that diazepam was cheap–I was remembering when I had a prescription for like 90 5mg pills, and my copay was $20 but the actual cost without insurance was less than $10; pretty sure I have that about right, but it’s also over ten years ago. And of course you’d need it compounded for injection and that must increase the price.

As best I can tell, you were insisting on dragging out your dog’s miserable, horrific, and tortuous existence in order to fulfill your own emotions.

Yes, sadly, I have run across anything like this.

If it were me, I would complain to the state board about this vet.

@TSBG
The copay was double the straight cost? Just a guess, but maybe it was $30 with a $20 copay?

With a quick google, it seems they go for high dosage on this. A 50 lb dog (medium sized) on Phenobarbital calls for a 46 mg dose. That’s 9 of your old pills up the bum.