Why not? Complaining about the mean old Democrats and the Liberal media is the entire playbook for the Republican party, and it won them the election.
You should react by saying, “Look, we don’t care about your concerns. Whether or not you lose your job doesn’t matter. Gay marriage does matter. And if you don’t agree, instantly and 100%, you will be called names.”
Or at least that’s how they did react.
That’s not sleestak’s point. His point is that liberals kept repeating before the election, “your concerns are not as important as gay marriage”. And you keep repeating it afterward.
Regards,
Shodan
Yet another excellent point!
The staunchest Republicans just want a conservative Supreme Court justice (or 2 or 3), abortion rights rolled back, keep out the bad Muslims and quite a few other conservative items on their list. If they have to put up with an embarrassing reality show businessman to do it, they will, even if they have to cringe over Trump’s embarrassing antics for the next four years. To them, it’s better than bad old left wing Hillary in charge. They’ve basically have sold their soul and put people, and America, in danger, in order to get their right wing agenda in place
Why? Two reasons:
- Another thread to rip Trump
- A blindness of the Democrats as to how bad Clinton was. They honestly believe that Clinton was the greatest Presidential candidate ever so it is literally inconceivable* that anyone would NOT vote for her.
You can find oodles and gobs of Dem/lefty Dopers who said “Well, Hillary will do, an acceptable consensus candidate”. Show me the oodles and gobs of posters who said “Wow, totally wonderful, absolutely the bestest candidate ever!”. I’ll just wait over here while you gather the huge numbers of examples. Or at least wait till you come to the conclusion that you don’t really know what we are thinking.
Will you accept all the Dems that said “Most qualified candidate ever” cuz there are tons of those quotes.
I don’t know a single democrat who thought HRC was “the greatest Presidential candidate ever”. Not one. But she fucking well was one of the most qualified candidates ever. A life long public servant. A first lady, a senator, a SoS, thoughtful, smart. Show me a better resume for POTUS and compare/contrast it with the qualifications of the orange jackass.
Her fatal flaw is that she’s devoid of charisma and that’s unforgivable in US politics.
John McCain reached Captain in the US Navy (public service and management skills). Not sure what First Lady qualifies her for unless you want to count the failed HillaryCare and destroying people’s careers in TravelGate. 21 years in the Senate compared to Clinton’s 8. While in the Senate McCain has chaired 3 committees, I can’t find that Clinton chair any. McCain sponsored the McCain-Feingold Bill and was a member of the Gang of 14. Name one major piece of legislation Clinton wrote.
But since you care about qualifications: Barack Obama: professor for 12 years, State Senator for 7 years, US Senator for less than 3 years. Hmmmm looks like McCain was a fuckload more qualified than Obama. Care to address that?
Shit, I’d pretty much forgotten about the horrendous scandal of TravelGate! How the nation reeled in shock, horror and dismay.
This is the Trump thread.
Take the Clinton discussion elsewhere.
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With Bannon pulling the strings and Preibus an ineffectual sop for the GOP. And a cadre of asskissers just waiting to hide, distract from, or flat-out obliterate the truth.
Stand by, ‘interesting times’ is the understatement of the century.
Uh…because you voted for a narcissistic strongman incapable of the slightest humanity and who within a week has already compromised democracy multiple times?
But then that doesn’t matter, does it? Anything for power.
Well, it’s not working all that hot. You can’t be a Strong Man and screw up as often and as badly as he does. You may not expect the Strong Man to make his own oatmeal, but you gotta believe he *could *!
Actually Clinton spoke a lot about jobs. The problem was that she told the truth about them. What she should have done was lied out her ass and told people that, even thought the SEECRET UNEMPLOYMENT RATE was 42%, of course everyone was going to get all their coal and manufacturing industry jobs back, and everyone would be kept safe from those evil dancing New Jersey Muslims, and everyone would receive a free unicorn that farted rainbows.
I mean, that’s the approach that worked, so that’s what the Democrats should have done, right?
How odd - it used to be the Republicans who told people their concerns were not as important as gay marriage… or at least stopping it. And who now are more concerned about which bathroom transpeople use than with coming up with a jobs bill or an actual “replacement” for ACA. But as always IOKIARDI.
I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary.
In November I had no problem voting for Trump.
Hillary ?
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
That’s a who and not a why.
In my opinion, it was because both Obama, Hillary, and many others openly referred to Republicans as the “enemy”.
If you declare that you are my enemy, I take you at your word. Why would I ever do anything to help you? Why wouldn’t I do everything I can to stop you, even if I have to ally myself with someone who I don’t particularly like? If I have to cut off a toe to save my leg, I’ll do it. (Yeah, yeah. “But Trump is LITERALLY HITLER!! He will take more than your leg!” Except that kind of thing only convinces people who disagree with you that you are unhinged.)
If you are running for office, you can attack and insult the other candidate all you want. What you CAN’T do is attack the voters, which is what Hillary did with her “enemy” statement; and even more famously with her “deplorable” comment. You can’t expect someone to vote for you if you tell them you hate them.
I think this drove at least some of the vote for Trump. Better the guy I don’t like than the one who hates me.
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The point, and it is a quite simple one, is that Clinton spoke to special interest groups. Or at least appeared to focus on them while Trump spoke to average joes.
Everyone has multiple interests. Everyone ranks those interests. For the vast majority of people it goes something like
#1. Family/Home
#2. Job/Money
#3. Other things
If #1 and #2 are in jeopardy, or the voter believes that they are in jeopardy, then #3 gets pushed wayyyy down the list. #3 are, for most people, things like gay rights and transgendered bathrooms. They may matter, but not more than issues that affect their own lives directly.
The message Clinton got through wasn’t about #1 and #2 to the people who voted for Trump. They heard ‘public and private positions’. They heard ‘deplorable’. They heard that the Democratic presidential candidate thought they were evil and that their concerns didn’t matter to Clinton.
Trump. on the other hand, got a message out which was basically ‘You deserve better. Vote for me and I will make America Great again!’.
Bullshit? Yup. But that was the message that got through to Trump voters. Jobs. Economy.
A note, Buck Godot, I didn’t get fed a bill of goods as I didn’t vote Trump. Or Clinton. I voted third party because both the major party candidates sucked. Had the Ds put up Biden instead of Clinton I probably would have voted for him. Or just about anyone else.
Slee
Did I ever say that?
What I said is that for Trump voters there were other issues that were more important to them than gay rights.
Do you understand that? Non-gay Trump voters have real world problems that have nothing to do with gay rights. Those problems will be their main concern.
Also, note that I didn’t vote for Trump, hence the use of the phrase ‘Trump voters’. So take your outrage and figure out something useful to do with it instead of pointing it at people who would be on your side if you stopped throwing around baseless accusations.
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But I can tell you that my friend of 17+ years cares every much about what happens to his marriage to his husband, and what the results say about society’s views at large about him. So yes, if you don’t think that gay people deserve the same legal protections as everyone else, if you don’t care that your narrow views on birth cause actual real people to die, if you don’t see anything wrong with the numbers on police shootings in regards to minorities, how is that NOT “deplorable”? Unless you agree that the fags should be put in asylums and women who have sex are whores and blacks are shot more because they’re more criminal than whites?
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Ohhh. I can beat that. My friend of 31 years is a lesbian and got married this year, I have known her since high school and I was the first person she came out to back in 1986. My best friend is a gay Mexican and he voted for Trump! (Figure that one out. He is also Catholic and doesn’t believe in gay marriage. A rather odd guy). He is also god father to my twin boys.
Slee