Why did the media "cry wolf" about Trump's Mt. Rushmore speech when there are so many real wolves out there?

Pelosi, Clinton and Obama are right-of-center, and Schumer and Bullock are dead-center, so the really is no scmeft at all to you.

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Whatever, it’s a semantic argument and the point is that I am squarely in the middle of that group and not with Republicans or left wing Democrats.

I do think your taxonomy is kind of weird, though. If someone had asked me to predict which two of the five I listed would be identified as furthest to the left, I would not have guessed it would be those two. :man_shrugging:t2:

@SlackerInc, do you forget what you said when you first got here? You didn’t say you were a centrist Democrat. You were proud of “thinking for yourself” and admitted you had a diversity of opinions that didn’t align well with the normal system.

The more you keep insisting to be a centrist Democrat while pushing views that no Democrat would be caught dead presenting, the more people are going to think you’re a right wing concern troll.

The more you contradict yourself, the more people think you must be trying (and failing) to pretend to be something you aren’t.

You clearly are not making any headway on the original topic. Nothing of value is being said here anymore. So what’s the point? I get the need to refute an accusation. But do that and leave. Further bickering accomplishes nothing.

That’s why I hadn’t been back to the thread until now–I only came in to check how in the world the thread could still be going on. And, of course, it’s because you’re letting them get under your skin.

I’m responding to people–that’s not the same as “letting them get under my skin”.

And yes, I have diverse views. But what I said is also accurate: for the entire time I’ve been here (and you can go look on Daily Kos, going back to 2003), I have supported mainstream, establishment “centrist” (I still say center-left) Democrats. It’s because when it comes to electoral politics, I’m a pragmatist. I believe “voting your hopes, not your fears” is naive at best. I support Democrats who I don’t think are vulnerable to being exploited by the other side with wedge issues.

Replying in general? No. Replying the way you are? It’s clear as day that the accusation of being a “right wing concern troll” bothers you. You respond to such emotionally. You’ve let it hijack the topic of the thread, because you feel it’s something that must be refuted. That’s the meaning of “under your skin.”

And, no, you can’t be a centrist Democrat for practical reasons. The “centrist” part refers to an ideology. The term means “Democrats with centrist beliefs.” Your beliefs do not align with theirs.

And that is how you used it. You acted like there this huge group of Democrats with the same beliefs as you who all of us were ignoring.

Oh, and I won’t respond to any further replies. Fighting stubborn people who won’t listen is dumb. Either you’ll eventually take it to heart, or you won’t. It’s irrational to continue past the point where you’ve made your point clear.

That’s an incredibly naive perspective. It’s always amazing to me when people think you can only support a certain type of politician because their ideology lines up most perfectly with their own personal beliefs. There are millions of us–much to the frustration of the idealistic left, but also to the frustration of Republicans looking for an opening–who back moderates for strategic reasons. It’s no different from the fact that I’m an atheist, and a fairly strident one, but if an outspoken atheist ran for the Democratic nomination I would strongly oppose them because I know an atheist cannot currently get elected president.

You seem like a smart guy, so it’s bizarre that you don’t understand this simple concept.