Why did you become Neo-pagan?

I recently came back from a 3 day seminar in Las Vegas. Something I noticed is that the guy putting on this class was Neo-Pagan of some sort (I don’t know which path he follows). I also noticed that many of his colleagues were also Neo-Pagan.

I have a basic understanding of what Neo-Pagans and Wiccans believe. What I am interested in is why those of you who are Neo-Pagan chose this system of beliefs. What was your previous religion and why did you convert? Was there any one event, or did you gradually sort of switch over?

I’m just a curious Catholic with a great respect for all beliefs that is just curious.

Thanks.

Well, I can’t speak for the others, of course, but I’ve never really been anything else.

I grew up in a fairly nonreligious family–my mother was a nonpracticing Baptist and my father is an agnostic with Druidic tendencies. The fact that I was raised way out in the backwoods of Louisiana may also have been an influence; certainly I was more deeply involved with nature and natural phenomena than most city kids.

What I saw of other religions didn’t impress me–mostly ultraconservative Southern Baptists, with surely the most off-putting attitudes to be found in modern Christianity. I listened to them ranting, picked holes in their logic, looked at how unhappy many of them were, and decided to go my own way. Wiccan philosophy seemed to make sense to me–no self-contradictory scriptures, no placating a petty-minded deity, just an abiding awareness of the world and my place in it. I’ve walked along the fuzzy border between agnostic and Wiccan ever since, and I’ve found no cause for regrets.

If you want more details, you have only to ask.

Do you ask Jews, Baptists, Buddists, Catholics, Anglicans, Hindus, Jains, Sihks, and others what their previous religion was? No?

Why do people always ask the Neo Pagan (of any stripe) “What were you before?” Isn’t it just possible that some of us were either raised in that religion, or maybe just didn’t have a religion prior to realizing “Neo-Pagan” fit our beliefs better than anything else around?

There wasn’t a “before” religion for me, just a growing awareness of what I was in the religious sense.

I am also one who didn’t ‘convert’ from another religion. I was asked to write a bio where I answered the same question, so I will copy it here, with some editing:

Born in 1967 to free-thinking parents, I grew up teething on a copy of ‘Linda Goodman’s Sun Signs’ and was fascinated with the stars at an early age, both astronomy and astrology. When I was about 5, a local neighbor child told me I was going to hell if I didn’t give myself to Jesus; I remember running home to my parents and asking about that, and they told me about how different people believe different things, and not to worry about going to hell (I think they talked to her parents too). We didn’t go to church but were encouraged to see the beauty around us. I remember when I was about 7 we lived in San Antonio near a great patch of wilderness- typical central Texas wilds with oaks and mesquite, and tiny streams. I spent a lot of time there, trying to catch crawdads or snakes and exploring. I’ve heard they’ve paved over it now, a fact that is surprisingly painful to me. Since I couldn’t reconcile what I’d heard about God with the things I enjoyed in life, I became an athiest. But I always loved being in nature. I still had no problem believing in things like ESP and such, and I had a very moving experience at age 15 in Kerrville Texas along the banks of the Guadalupe River when I thought I could hear and even almost understand the cypress trees whispering to each other. When I was about 22 some interesting coincidences happened and I decided I would label myself an agnostic, since denying the possibility of any god seemed sort of cheeky.

Then in 1991, war broke out (Desert Storm) and I was horrified. I had never experienced war so directly- I lived in Killeen at the time, home of Fort Hood- one of the biggest army bases in America. Shelling practice rattled the windows day and night. Neighbors were clamoring for the deaths of people I had never met, while sending off their own children to get shot at.

It made no sense to me. I think my heart was broken, and I wanted to cry to someone, anyone who would listen about how wrong it all felt. I went to a Catholic church (I was dating a Catholic at the time, though neither of us had set foot inside a church in years) but felt no comfort. Then I started looking around at other religions. A friend of mine had read and enjoyed Z.Budapest’s books, so I decided to explore Wicca. I think I went to a bookstore and picked up Cunningham’s ‘Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner’. I had that feeling that so many of my friends described as the ‘aha! So this is what I’ve been feeling all these years!’ realization. I … went from a Goddess study group to classes with [a local coven].

My apologies to Broomstick and Mielikki. I did not intend for my question to infer that ALL Neo-Pagans were formerly of another religion. It is just in my research on the subject, it appeared that many who practice it were not satisfied with their former faiths and were looking for something that fit in with their ideals.

If you were never “formally” part of another religious faith, I’m curious as to how you became interested in Neo-Paganism.

If you were raised in the practice, why do you stay with it and why is it fufilling to you?

Not at all. It’s a reasonable assumption on the surface; if you believe that everyone has a religion, and recognize the fact that very few people are raised Neo-Pagan (I’d say maybe 1% of the pagans I’ve met were raised that way) then it makes sense. However, I’d guess that a good 80% of the pagans I do know didn’t reject an earlier spiritual path, they never had much of one to begin with; maybe occasional Christmas/Easter church visits, if even that. There are a few that are escaping what they view to be an oppressive religious upbringing, but not a lot. Most just didn’t connect. It’s not like they’re rejecting a path, they’re just discovering one late, if that makes any sense.

As an aside, I’ve found that people generally are not all that interested in their spiritual paths. They may go through the motions, but it’s just not a priority for them. Not that this is all bad, these people generally don’t care that I’m Wiccan once they understand that I’m not a cat-sacrificing baby-eater. :slight_smile:

Well, I wasn’t raised neopagan, nor did I read about it and decide to study up so as to learn all the things I was supposed to know and believe in as a good neopagan!

I was raised in a family that wasn’t particularly or fervently religious but where something a bit more than lip service was paid to it. My family was nominally Christian, of the quiet Protestant type that tends towards emphasis on good works in the community rather than an emphasis on theological abstractions. There was nevertheless the obligatory mention now and then of some ideas that I never came to understand simply from hearing them spoken:

a) that Jesus was the Son of God / was God, at the same time.

b) life after death, somehow tied in with Easter when Jesus rose from the dead.

c) heaven; and perhaps hell, or perhaps not

I was agnostic about all of this, not “getting it” but also not being particularly pressured about it. Our congretation was pretty far from fundamentalist orthodox, and the preacher’s own kid, who was in our youth group, said openly that he did not believe in life after death.

In early adulthood, the state of the world and of the species caused me to wonder with great intensity about the validity and meaning of the feelings I’d always had about how life is supposed to be, and whether or not there was or wasn’t any underlying principle or order to which those feelings were tuned; or if, instead, life really did just reward the most successfully predatory and was therefore nothing but an adversarial power struggle.

Rather than turn to any religious (or other) resources, I turned to the feelings themselves and focused on them in prayer–prayer to something that might or might not be an entity, but with which I needed to communicate.

I did so and received my own set of answers, my own revelations direct from God, etc, however you wish to term it. Or (as I acknowledged then and there) I suffered from the delusion that such a thing had transpired. Either way, things made sense in light of the answers I received, puzzle pieces clicked into place and I felt that I understood life. So it was my own religion.

Subsequently, I discovered enough parallels in the more informal variants of Wicca to start saying (some of the time, depending on context and the mood I was in) that I was a witch. In particular, I thought I had found in Wicca a rather ingrained disavowal of dogmatic thinking and a generally shared belief that everyone has to find their own rather than a generally shared belief that the following list of Important Gospel Truths are The Truth that you must believe, which simultaneously appealed because it was important and because it made any other differences trivial and largely irrelevant since none of them could attain the status of an orthodoxy in that light.

Over the years I’ve been overexposed to Wiccans who are all caught up in things I don’t care about, including those who seem hell-bent on establishing a set of Fundamental Wiccan Truths that would allow them to say that someone else isn’t Doing Wicca Right, which has dampened my enthusiasm for identifying myself as such. On the other hand, all other attempts to identify myself with any collectivity based on religious beliefs have been less successful–being ‘Unitarian’ looked promising but I did not find congregations where inquiry and pursuit of individual spiritual truths + sharing and comparing were much present, finding instead congregations of atheists who like to do good communitarian works and sing in a choir or sit in a pew once a week and listen to a good speaker do an inspirational message.

My most successful group-identification was in fact not generally thought of as a religion at all–radical feminism, the politics and the theory behind it were so close to the views I held that had I not been male I have no doubt that this would have been my single overarching grouphood identity. It worked pretty well for nearly 20 years anyhow, but as the more visionary and idealized feminist thought faded I had less and less in common with the nuts and bolts of feminism as a social reform and female self-help movement, and also never attained the sense of belonging one tends to seek from membership in a congregation of the similarly minded.

So I’m pretty much left with “I have my own”, and I guess that leaves me about as neopagan as anyone effectively can be who utilizes the term and concept “God” as part of the world-view. Actually, I’m increasingly inclined to insist that I’m neither theistic nor atheistic, nor even agnostic, but instead can express my experiences and concepts with or without conventionally theological terms, and sincerely in either case.

I didn’t leave my former religion because I was dissatisfied with it, nor do I feel that I “converted” to Paganism. I simply continued to grow in my awareness and (hopefully) my understanding of the Divine. The religion I was raised in, Catholic, gave me a wonderful foundation for spiritual growth. It introduced me to a loving Diety and encouraged me to develop a personal relationship with God, it showed me the power of ritual and the grandeur of nature, it provided a set of well structured moral teachings for me to explore and challenge, it instilled in me the security of knowing that I was beloved of God.

As I grew older, I came to realize that the Diety that I felt in my life was no longer masculine–although I had previously had a “personal” relationship with Christ–and that the female presence I felt was certainly not Mary, as I had ever been taught about her. My spirtual development was stepping outside the boundries of Christianity. In talking to others and doing reading, I also found that Wicca was not the right place for me. I spent several years trying to find out which sect of Paganism I belonged to, until it finally dawned on me that I didn’t need an organized religion–I can find community worship in a wide variety of places, I have access to an almost countless number of books to help me on my spiritual path, and almost as many teachers. So I’m just a Pagan–a believer in the God and the Goddess, finding a great deal of comfort, strength and wisdom in the world around me, trying to understand myself, all of creation and the Divine.

Wow, Meilikki, you and I seem to have a lot in common.

I grew up in San Antonio, and my first introduction to Wicca was Scott Cunningham’s A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner. Where’d you go to high school?

Like most of the other responders, I grew up in a fairly agnostic household. We celebrated the standard Christian holidays, but once my maternal grandmother passed away, never went to church again.

I’ve gone through phases where I’ve identified myself as atheist, agnostic, deist, and now finally Wiccan. While I would love to be part of a group, I’ve found for the most part that once you get more than a couple of Pagans together (or hell, any religion, I suppose), people start getting small-minded and parochial. Too bad really . . .

Kerrville Tivy- yes, home of the Tivy Antlers. We were too poor to afford an entire animal for a mascot. :slight_smile: I lived in San Antonio in… 1976; went to Locke Hill Elementary, and would have gone to Clark (I think) had I stayed.

I agree about Pagans getting together; being on some Pagan mailing lists gives me hives, what with all the melodrama- but I’ve also formed some of my most rewarding relationships with some of the groups and the people in them. I work better with like-minded friends than solitary; though it sure can take a lot of searching to find a good group.

It just gets a little annoying to answer the same question over and over. Heck, I get the same questions from other Pagans, too.

My oldest sister was High Priestess of a Dianic Coven.

The Dianic path didn’t fit me - most of Deities are male or of questionable gender - but it was an introduction.

I was initiated at the age of 12, so a lot of this happened quite early in my life.

Well, gee, why does anyone stay with the religion they grew up with?

I find a deep sense of fulfilment from my beliefs and a deeper connection with the universe. Occassionally I get a transcendental experience out of it.

I’ve gone through periods where I was heavily involved in practicing my religion, and others where I was a more secular Pagan, but my beliefs don’t waver, just my practice.

Oddly enough - I wound up marrying a Southern Baptist. The religious differences did make for a few arguments early on, but we’ve agreed to disagree on some religious issues. Contrary to popular beliefs, not all Southern Baptists are bigots - it’s just that the bigots are loud, obnoxious, and noticeable.

One thing I found that fascinated me is that there are many different types of neopagan “religions” (for lack of a better term), yet most neopagans are very accepting of others faiths and practices. You don’t see that as much in the Christian traditions.

Wiccans follow the Rede, “An ye harm none, do as ye will.” Most of us interpret “harm” to include psychological harm as well, which inclines us to be tolerant of others’ beliefs–attacking those beliefs would likely cause the believers some psychological distress. (Of course, if they started it…:slight_smile: )

Mainly, though, it’s because we’re so diverse ourselves. You’ll often hear sayings along the lines of “There is no one, true way.” Everyone has different needs, and needs to find their own spiritual path. Most of us have done it ourselves–we know what it’s like. If you’re an Asatru, I’m cool with that–pass the mead-horn please. If you find your faith as a Catholic fulfilling, then I’m happy for you. If you are content as a Southern Baptist, that’s great–I won’t try to change you. The world is always perilously short of happiness and contentment–there’s no reason to make things worse.

I don’t follow Norse traditions, but I have a fine batch of pear and honey mead aging. Anyone in my area (So. California) this time next year, let me know - drop by and we’ll split a bottle.

Now then. I’m another Wiccan who found the beliefs first, and then found the religion. I was pretty surprised to find a group that I fit into. (As an aside, I called a friend I had known for over 20 years and said, “I’m a witch.” She said, “Well, no sh*t. I’ve been waiting for you to figure it out.”)

I go through phases of close contact with my coven, and phases where I drift away for a time. Coven groups are very much like family, from what I can tell; at the best, they can be a rip-roaring celebration of each individual and every accomplishment. At the worst, they’re like a long Thanksgiving dinner with a dry turkey where everybody has been arguing and nobody is speaking to anyone else. I do have to agree, though, that if you ask three Wiccans a question, you’ll get three different answers. Probably the same thing if you ask the same Wiccan at three different times. With such wide variations among ourselves, we do tend to grant more latitude to other beliefs.

As a final note - For non-pagans, “Harm none” sounds like a pretty simple rule to live by. Once you put some thought into it, though, it drives a pretty complex ethical system. I think that one rule is a lot harder to follow, and much more extensive, than all ten commandments combined.

And if you happen to swing by Dallas, you’re welcome to stop by for some vanilla mead, seawitch. :slight_smile:

I agree that “Harm none” is a more complex restraint than a lot of people realize. If nothing else, it requires you to think about your actions–you have to assess the impact of your decisions on others. Interpreted broadly, it’s far stricter than the Decalogue–maybe more so than the Mosaic law in some ways, although it allows things that Mosaic law prohibits.

Hey Seawitch, where about’s are you in SoCal. I’m in Escondido (just north of San Diego) (well, at least for another month), and I’d love to hook up.

Meilikki, Kerrville’s a nice town. I miss the hill country. I was a band geek in the MacArthur marching band. The mascot was the brahma bull, which I heard misprounounced for four years as “BRAY-muh”. Gah.

I have to amend my comments about being in Pagan gatherings. One of my happiest and most connected-to-life-and-love memories was acting as high priestess at an open autumn Solstice circle hosted by a DFW coven. Of course, it helped that we were out at a gorgeous campsite off the Frio river. Couldn’t find that place again if my life depended on it.

phouka, I’m in Orange County - Seal Beach, to be exact. Drop me an e-mail - I’m sure we can find a good halfway point. Shouldn’t be more than an hour drive for each of us, as long as we skip rush hour. :wink:

My parents raised my brother and I with the idea that we could choose whatever faith we wanted to follow; when a friend of mine in high school started explaining things her Pagan step-mother had been teaching her, I realized it fit with things that I’d been doing and feeling all my life. And while Cunningham’s Wicca wasn’t my first book, it remains one of the best. I own it in two languages. :slight_smile:

It wasn’t long before I discovered where the “New Age” section was in every local bookstore – and since I lived in the LA area, there were many!
Dragonblink (the only SoCal Pagan without some mead aging somewhere?)

Hey, Dragonblink, drop in on my meeting with phouka. This could be the first SoCalNeoPaganMeadBrewersDopeFest.

Woohoo, party at Seawitch’s place! Heh heh heh …

I could use some good mead, now that I’m (barely) old enough to buy it legally. :slight_smile:
Dragonblink