Not saying I agree with the above.
But such one-sided claims are great fodder for debate.
I like watching people debate.
Have at it.
It not that they run it better it is businesses go to states with low taxes. That is why the state of Texas is doing so well or the province of Alberta in Canada.
When taxes go up than businesses leave.
I’m not claiming to agree, either. I can’t claim to disagree, however. Are you enjoying yourself yet?
A debate needs two opposing viewpoints. Since you say you won’t defend your own premise. there is no debate.
Yeah, “You and him fight.” What’s that called?
There’s a whole forum full of threads with people debating, where the OP actually bothered to state and defend a position. If you just like watching people debate, why don’t you just read those threads?
As a conservative…I shall not participate.
It depends on what you mean when you say that conservatives are better at running the government. It is true that many of the most disastrous state and city governments are very liberal leaning (California, Detroit etc.) but the absolute best run states like New Hampshire and Vermont aren’t particularly conservative either. You can make a case that they aren’t very representative of the nation as a whole because of their small size, low population and rather homogeneous population but you could also come up with similar claims for every state if you look for exceptional traits.
I think you can make a fair comparison between Texas (#2 in population) and #1 California and #3 New York. There may be something there. Texas is absolutely thriving even though it could have many of the same issues as California but the latter is a slow moving governmental disaster at least partially because ill thought out concepts like popular vote constitutional referendums. Texas is also doing better than New York economically even though it doesn’t have the equivalent of NYC. You have to give credit where it is due. Texas is doing things quite well that other states are not.
The best argument that I have heard that describes why large groups of liberals tend to make for bad government almost has to be true by definition. Liberals, in the U.S. at least, are a very loose coalition of groups that have nothing in common other than the fact that they want some type of change even if the different subparts want 1,000 different versions of it. Educated conservatives that make it to the higher levels of government tend to value law and order and proper procedure. They know how to play the game and they are good at it. They are also more willing to move in lockstep with their allies (that they may not have much in common with at all) in order to achieve a given goal.
I think we have seen this phenomenon in action in Congress in the last few years. The liberals just don’t seem to know how to play the basic game of politics and governing very well whether they have good intentions or not. Conservatives may make decisions that some view as harmful or even evil but they can start pushing things through as efficiently as a factory assembly line as soon as the get enough power to do it.
Okay, I agree with everything I said.
Conservatives run the government better. Liberals are wasteful, spend money on useless programs and don’t want to fix things, just raise taxes to kick the can down the road.
Your go.
No they don’t.
I disagree OP.
Am I doing it right?
Alberta and Texas both tax oil production. They can afford to maintain other taxes at a low rate because they have all that oil money.
Conservatives insist tax cuts and spending cuts and reducing regulations create jobs and stimulate the economy. History has not borne that out. In the mean time, deficits go up, services go down, and the economy sputters.
Here are this year’s rankings of best run states if that is the level that anyone wants to focus on. The best run states are mostly conservative leaning, low population and fairly homogeneous ones (Wyoming is #1) but there are a few liberal states like Hawaii near the top.
The bottom 10 is mostly a mix of Deep Southern states (Hey, I am from there and we are always thrilled to get anything above 45 in anything) and then the real champions that truly earned their Olympic gold medal in freestyle government dysfunction. The people’s utopias of Illinois and California fought hard for the bottom slots but California prevailed in the end. Liberal New Jersey and Michigan didn’t do too well either.
However, the middle of the pack has a mix of liberal and conservative leaning states with no clear trend except for the top and the bottom. Texas didn’t even rank all that high in this study because lots of different factors, not just economic growth were considered.
Yes they do.
You’re wrong.
Well, ok, then. Sounds like you answered your own question then.
If we accept the OP’s question as true, I would chalk it up to personality differences. Liberals will tend to try to build consensus while a conservative is more likely to act quickly and decisively. One works better short-term and the other is more a long-term strategy.
This is from 2011. It appears a mite bit has changed since then. Since we here in California kicked out enough conservatives so that they couldn’t block things, we have a surplus, a budget that was delivered on time, and soaring housing prices.
Kansas, on the other hand, put into effect pure conservative principles. Result - job growth no better than sane neighbors, and a massive reduction in revenue requiring cuts to schools etc.
We have Governor Brown and Governor Brownback. Who do you think is doing a better job?
Oil doesn’t drive everything in Texas. It was and is one of their successful legacy industries but they also have other thriving sectors now too including high-tech. I got a call just last month offering me a job on the spot in Austin with a very high salary and all moving expenses paid as well as a signing bonus and paid time off to get settled. That isn’t so unusual. What was unusual is that they wanted me to find as many of my coworkers and former coworkers as I could and bring them with me and they would get the same deal. They wanted as many people with certain skills as they could get and couldn’t get enough of them without resorting to drastic measures. I couldn’t do it because I have kids here in Massachusetts but I wish I could have taken it. The last time I heard about any deals like that was in the late 90’s.
California has plenty of oil too plus better land for agriculture and the best tech industry in the world by far. It is their fault if they have all of that and still manage to fuck it up so badly that their state ranks the least well run.
You would hope it is outdated but no. Here is the latest one with the same result. You can have a couple of more years to show your point but that is a difficult hole to climb out of in a reasonable amount of time. I have a feeling that people that live in California exist in one of those reality distortion bubbles because the state is so big, populous and dominates the media. Looking from the outside in, the state government and many city governments are not healthy, normal or well-run at all even today and have not been for decades. That will take a very long time to fix if it can be done at all. It is good that is making improvements but, in this case, it is like a patient going from ICU to Critical Care. It is positive but still really bad.