Who are the Doctor and Rose? I don’t recognize the reference. Is Rose a minor like the girl in Twilight? Does the Doctor climb through the bedroom windows of underaged girls to stare at them while they sleep?
Comparing Harry Potter Series to Twilight series is like comparing a Nice piece of art work to a steaming pile of poo.
I heard in the next film, the Van Helsing family moves in next door.
(Assuming this isn’t a whoosh) It’s from the long running BBC series Doctor Who. Rose is a 19 year old girl from modern day England (although she looks 35) and The Doctor is the last of a race of time traveling aliens and is about 1000 years old (but looks like a 35 year old human). The format of the show typically has The Doctor taking one or more human “companions” on his adventures for a period of time. Rose was one of them.
As to the second part of your question, yes, on occassion. Although, as I mentioned, he typically just sort of takes them on a joyride in his ship for awhile.
Interesting, Roses’ character was the only companion where the show actually showed the ramifications back home while she is off on her adventures. As far as her friends and family knew, she disappeared without a trace and for awhile her Earth boyfriend was the prime suspect.
Ok, I’m somewhat familiar with Dr. Who, though I haven’t seen the current iteration. I used to watch it when I lived in England as a child in the 70’s.
If Rose is 19, she’s an adult, at least. The girl in Twilight is still a minor. The “vampire” (and he really isn’t worthy of the word. He’s more like a vam-pansy or a douche-pire) is also obsessively controlling, possessive, paternalistic, infantalizing and literally stalkerish. For some reason, I guess this strikes 12 year old girls as impossibly romantic, but to adults it pretty much pins the creep- meter.
It still bothers me that no one says anything about the implications of the “Moral” of the story.
We are letting the film and publishing industry sell us the idea that there is simply "One True Love" out there for each and every person. and that you have to be chaste and pure and above all concerns until you meet that person. And the moment you meet that person you will know it, and you will be happy forever!!!
And for anyone who thinks it is creepy between the 150 year old vampire and the 15 year old girl…wait for the last movie - Damn, I wish I new how to putt in spoiler boxes in these answers, because I don’t want to spoil the ultimate creepiness of the last book/movie
Yeah, because no one ever thought like that until Twilight came along. :rolleyes:
Does Woody Allen direct it? Is that it?
The story takes place in Washington, where the age of consent is 16. I’m sure you’ll respond that she’s still a minor, but even if they did fuck, it’d be legal. I know you believe in the power of legally-defined lines that differentiate between child and adult (evidenced by the post I’m quoting), so this should matter to you.
He doesn’t fuck her, so what difference does the age of consent make? It’s still creepy for a 150 year old guy to climb through little girls’ windows and watch them sleep. Even more so to completely control them, tell them who to talk to, etc. If a 40 year old guy climbed through a little girl’s window he’d be arrested. Why is it romantic when this slimeball does it?
The 4th book is the worst, by the way. That’s when we find out that sex is horrible and painful, that men should feel shame and horror at what it does to women, that girls will get pregnant the first time they have sex, and that pregnancy is even worse than the sex itself. The baby will trying to kill you, cause you incredible pain, and literally eat it’s way out of your body.
Meyers has some incredible hangups about sex. These books are really diseased and inaccurate in just about every aspect of human relationships, sexual and romantic especially, but she also has incredibly juvenile views of familial relationships and friendships. These books are really not suitable for kids, and not because of anything relating to gore or violence.
She isn’t a little girl. The state of Washington agrees. And before you say “Fuck the state of Washington”, you’re the one who is arbitrarily using 18 years of age as the line between child and adult. Age 16 is just as arbitrary.
Wow, that has got to be giving Meyers way too much credit, comparing her work to Emily Bronte. At least I know what Wuthering Heights is 160 years later, even if I haven’t read it. Twilight will be filling landfills by the end of this decade, if not earlier. Replaced, of course, by the latest tween girl schlock.
I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking here, but the Bella Swan character isn’t “oh-so-special”, at least not in any positive sense. She might be “special” in the handicapped sense, as her inability to keep herself from falling over suggests some sort of neurological problem.
Bella isn’t depicted as being particularly intelligent or even nice, although I’m not sure to what extent this was intended by Meyer and how much is because Meyer just isn’t a good writer. As far as I could tell from the first book, Bella has no talents, no accomplishments, and no interests aside from Edward and his perfect face/bod. She manages to stumble into peril again and again, but she never really needs to do anything in response because Edward always swoops in to rescue her. She’s so passive that she spends an astonishing amount of time literally being carried around.
As I said before, I hear that many fans of the series don’t even like Bella, I think it’s more that they wish they had her pick of hot guys. It’s my impression that the fantasy is not so much “I wish I were Bella” as “I’d do a better job and have more fun in this situation than that brat Bella.” The critics generally don’t like her either, see the Bella Swan page on Wikipedia.
In short, I’d say the biggest difference between Bella Swan and Harry Potter is that Harry actually DOES things.
She’s still a minor in the state of Washington. No sex is involved, so the age of consent has nothing to do with this conversation. It’s irrelevant to any point I was making. Climb through a high school girl’s bedroom window in the middle of the night any state in the union and see what happens to you. The age of consent is also irrelevant to the creepiness factor of an ostensibly 150 year old man perving on 16 year old girls, stalking them, controlling them, telling them who they can and can’t talk to, etc. You change the vampire character to a 50 year old man it’s just gross, so how is 150 suddenly not gross?
Might that be part of the attraction? In that they can easily project themselves into her place because they’re not intimidated by her? I have zero actual knowledge about this phenom.
She’s the most beautifulest girl ever and all the boys are in love with her, and everyone is devoted to her and everyone thinks she’s wonderful. It’s not because of anything she does. She does nothing. She’s useless. It’s apparently based on nothing but her beauty.
When she becomes a vamp, she becomes the most graceful and powerful vamp ever. It takes other vamps years to adjust and find self-control (something else stolen from Harris), but Bella does it in a day, and all the other vamps are amazed at how calm and disciplined she is.
And her baby is the most beautiful baby ever, and she doesn’t even need potty training.She’s a perfect accessory.
She’s the ultimate Mary Sue. The books read like adolescent fan fiction of themselves, which I guess is what they are.
Oh, so if they were fucking, it’d be OK.
You’re fine smoking weed in your garage but the law becomes vitally important when determining whether 16 or 18 makes you a legal adult. Whether it’s creepy or not is beside the point- of course I think it’s fucking creepy. But it’s really annoying when you call her a little girl. Get over yourself.
No, it would still be creepy and gross, it just wouldn’t be illegal. So what? Climbing in little girls’ windows is illegal AND creepy.
I haven’t said anything about the law, only what’s creepy.
No, that was exactly my point and my only point. I think I can be the ruling authority on what point I was trying to make, thanks very much.
You’re only 20. You need a little more life perspective. You’re not old enough to realize how young 16 is yet.
I came in to post this. Well played, sir!
It probably does help that the reader has no reason to feel inferior to Bella.
It’s not even her beauty, as Bella apparently wasn’t considered particularly attractive when she lived in Phoenix. Bella herself believes she’s suddenly Ms. Popular when she moves to Forks because it’s a small, isolated town and everyone who lives there is both bored and boring. So apparently even the world’s dullest new girl is sufficient novelty to attract the attention of every guy with a pulse. As for the guy without a pulse, Edward doesn’t fall for her because of her looks, but because of the tasty smell of her blood.
For those of you who haven’t read the book, I’m not making this up. That’s the actual reason he’s interested in her. Well, there’s that and the fact that he can’t read her mind. Within the novel having an un-readable mind is a unique characteristic, but of course in the real world this is a “power” that everyone has so it’s not all that impressive.
The reason Bella is attracted to Edward does seem to be all about his beauty, though.
I had to read Twilight for a library school assignment, so I’m pretty familar with the plot. I’m sorry to say Lamia, but you got nearly every major plot point wrong in your post.
Edward falls for her for the sole reason that he can’t read her mind. The fact that her blood is considered a particularly powerful (and overpowering) scent to him is one of the changes to common vampire lore that I like about the Twilight books. It’s clever.
But saying Bella is plain is wrong. She thinks she’s plain, but early in the book a description of her looks basically makes her out to be a supermodel. She’s fairly tall, she’s slender, she’s got clear (if pale) skin and she has long dark hair. The reason every guy wants her is because she’s basically gorgeous. Which is confirmed by Edward later when he reads all of their minds.