I think Miss Manners is clever, witty, and wise. Of course not everyone agrees, but it seems that there are so many who hate her with a burning passion. What’s up with that?
I often find it hard to explain what I like about her to people who don’t “get” her, so I guess it’s equally hard for people who hate her to explain that to me, but I’m curious - do you like? Love? Hate? Don’t give a crap? How come?
I find people who hate Miss Manners haven’t really actually read Miss Manners. They just think she’s a head-in-the-clouds ettiquette maven ala Emily Post who looks down on the unwashed masses. Where really all she wants to do is get across the idea that manners are tools for making people comfortable.
Tremorviolet has an excellent point, although I’ve known some people who are put off by her habit of referring to herself in the third person. Some people see it as, well, pretentious, and I have to admit that I find it somewhat annoying at times.
The ones I’ve seen tend to be doing something she finds to be bad manners, so of course they’re right and she’s an out-of-touch old biddy who should have hung it up years ago. A defence thing so they can feel better about continuing to do something rude.
SteveG1 finds it annoying too. SteveG1 thinks it is even more pretentious than the royal We. SteveG1 thinks these jabronies should knock it off. If you smell what SteveG1 is cooking
Most people who dislike Miss Manners (Judith Martin) don’t really dislike her, they dislike the idea of her which typically resembles some primary school teacher they also hated.
I think she’s a hoot! I’ve heard her on the radio - she’s as charming as she is witty and classy. She’d be appalled at the way I set my table, but because of her, I want to host a dinner party. I’m tired of pot luck all the time!
Ha! A hoot is exactly what she is, in my opinion. I can agree that the third person can get tiresome, and that my table setting would cause Dear Miss Manners to have palpitations. But there are so many people who disagree with some of her etiquette advice (as happens with any advice-giver) but fail to see the hoot. I wish they could see the hoot.
FWIW, The Washington Post, I believe, did a story on her about 15 years ago. She was at a book signing and, IIRC, either left her purse and silk scarf in a cab, or misplaced them.
IIRC, she reported that her purse cost about $550 and the scarf $250 or so. Those were 1990 (or earlier) prices.
I don’t like it when my failings are pointed out, particularly in black and white. Miss Manners does that. Some people take that as a personal affront rather than an opportunity to better themselves.
I suspect that the third person this seperates “Miss Manners” from Judith Martin. Ms. Martin strikes me as a classy and well mannered lady, but as a well mannered lady she realizes that telling people they have bad manners is, well…bad manners. However, that is precisely what Miss Manners is employed to do.
I hate it when she lets snoots get away with being distainful.
I hate the way people write to her with absurd questions like “Why is it now proper behavior to ask for donations in an invitation? I just got one …”
She never manages to tell them "Not everything that happens to you is ‘now proper behavior’ - If someone mugged you, would you write to me ‘Why is mugging now proper behavior?’ "
Up until seeing this thread, it never occured to me that there might be people who hated Miss Manners. But yeah, I guess I can see how people who don’t like being held to certain standards of behavior might not like her.
The “pretentiousness,” the occasionally old-fashioned or high-falutin’ language, the know-it-all persona (not unlike that of another columnist we all know and love around here )—they’re all part of her schtick. I, too, think she’s a hoot (and a great writer), but I can see how people with no sense of humor might disagree.
Just a question, not being snarky: Do you find a $550 purse to be pretentious? I ask because I see high school girls (at a public high school )with Kate Spade, Dooney & Bourke, Coach etc bags ALL the time and they don’t even have jobs.
At least Miss Manners has a career and an income. I say more power to her!