Last time it was tried, the Democrat got 3 million more votes than the Republican. For that matter, she got more than three million more votes than the fresh new face who had only been in Washington since 1991.
Yeah, the Dems did that in 2016*. And also in 2012 and 2008… wait, no, no they didnt.
There is no such thing as "their time has come’ and “The Democrats” dont nominate anyone, the voters do.
- and not even in 2016, as there were plenty of Dem Pols more senior than Hillary.
So in others words- they pretty much have never done this.
You mean voters are going to select someone you don’t like, and therefore voting is a scam. Okay.:rolleyes:
USA Today/Suffolk University poll: Biden is the candidate who trails Trump the least - by 3%. (Bernie, Warren, and Buttigieg trail by 5, 8 and 10 percentage points, respectively.) So Biden is clearly the man, the only issue is whether his centrism will depress turnout.
You guys aren’t gettin it: this is a referendum election. If the voters believe that a) Trump is doing well enough right now, and b) he will be gone in 4 years anyway, then even if Barack Obama could run again, he’d be a long shot against Trump. Has nothing to do with centrism or progressivism. But FWIW, centrism gives the Dems the best chance, insofar as it can tap into the increasingly progressive energy that’s surging within the party. Even if Biden isn’t quite there himself, he will no doubt surround himself with astute politicos who will understand that the needle has shifted more in the direction of Bernie than Hillary the last few years.
Sure, but come the general election, the liberals are going to fall in line and vote Democratic regardless; it’s not like they’re going to be so pissed that the party chose Biden that they’ll vote Trump in protest.
What I’d want to know is the relative breakdown of the electorate as a whole in terms of ideology.
I suspect, but have no proof, that the best strategy for the Democrats would be to aim center-left, with the expectation that the more left wing/liberal side will fall in line and vote Democratic because they really don’t have other options. Meanwhile, they can squarely get the right-half of their own party, as well as (hopefully) a goodly chunk of the middle, while the GOP aims hard-right.
If Biden gets the nomination, then whomever he selects as his VP will have a certain bearing on the ticket as well. If he selects Warren as his VP, that will likely pull some of the more progressive left voters. Same with Stacy Abrams. If he selects Klobuchar or Buttigeg, then it will be a more centrist ticket, which might be a harder sell.
Sure, but who cares? Are those progressive left voters going to go vote for Trump? Hardly likely. They’ll STILL vote for Biden/Buttigieg regardless.
But… will the people in the middle still vote for Biden if he picks Warren? She’s absolutely terrifying to a big chunk of people who aren’t necessarily Trump voters, in a way that Buttigieg or Klobuchar aren’t .
He is unlikely to pick a competitor, that doesnt happen often, except maybe someone who dropped off early
Not necessarily. There will be a certain percentage of progressives who will decide that the Democratic establishment is too far to the right for them to support, and they’ll do something petulant. Why did Jill Stein get one million more votes in 2016 than she did in 2012? Why did Hillary Clinton get 300,000 fewer votes in Wisconsin, handing the state to Donald Trump, while Trump actually got fewer votes in that state than Mitt Romney did in 2012? If Jill Stein had merely doubled her performance from 2012-2016 in Michigan, and the other 8,000 Michiganders who voted Green had voted Democratic, Hillary would have won that state, as well.
Those aren’t Democratic votes that went for Trump. Those are Democratic votes that went away, period.