Why do people *want* to have kids?

New dad checking in: Bricker Jr is now six weeks old, and he’s been a handful. He cries at night. He cries when he’s wet, he cries harder when he’s poopy, and and he cries when he’s hungry. Mrs. Bricker has mostly sole responsibility for that last need, but I am on constant call for the changing.

Going out is a real pain now: we can’t just hop in the car and go; we’ve got to pack him in his car seat, pack his diaper bag with all the essentials: burp cloths, extra diapers, pacifier, expressed milk and etc etc. And we can’t stay out - we need to come home fairly soon; no more impromptu trips to Balitmore or the theatre. And through all of this, we’ve had my mother-in-law staying with us and helping - God only knows how we’d have managed without her. And my own mom lives less than two miles away; she’s been a help, too.

So - why, after all of this bother, did I want to have a child? And why would I willingly do it again?

Because there is a reward - one that comes now, and doesn’t involve molding a child into your ideal image, or listening to him talk, or read, or help unload groceries, or anything.

Just looking at this little, tiny, perfect snip of a human being… one who depends on you for everything… one that you and your spouse made, between you… is just a magical, life-changing event. I know it sounds corny… but it is. My wife and I MADE A BABY. I can’t explain it any better than that – but that’s the reward.

  • Rick

Just be aware that some friends of mine & Mrs. Squeegee went through something like this as well. Hubby basically put his foot down after several years of dithering by the spouse & potential Mom: “let’s have kids, or you can find yourself a new husband.” He probably didn’t say it this sharply, and didn’t say it to hurt her, but he was being honest: I absolutely want kids, and if you don’t, I need to find someone who does. I hope it doesn’t come to that for the two of you.

During my mid-to-late 20’s, I lived alone. I never expected that I would ever get married, and that was fine with me, as I enjoyed living alone.

Then I met my husband. We dated for a year or so, and got married when I was 30. Because I had a history of polycystic ovarian syndrome and very irregular periods, I pretty much assumed that it would be very difficult for me to conceive, and that when and if my husband and I decided that we wanted to have kids, we’d probably have to have medical assistance.

Then again, maybe not. Because of my assumption of infertility, that led me to be a little casual about contraception on ONE single occasion, when I had seen a little bleeding and assumed that my period was starting. Nope — scant bleeding can also signal ovulation. So, 5 months after we got married, I found out I was pregnant.

At that point (great timing, huh?) I asked my husband how he felt about having kids. He said that maybe in a few years, after we’d had a chance to travel to Europe and do a few things first, sure, he might want to. I explained that our time table might need to be moved up a bit…

This was a huge surprise for both of us. We had not really discussed having children before, and neither one of us had given it serious thought. I was never what you could call a “baby” person. Babies scared the hell out of me. You couldn’t communicate with them, you couldn’t make them do what you wanted them to do, and it seemed that they just cried and stared accusingly at you all the time. We had friends that were having babies, and I always hated it when they would ask “Would you like to hold the baby?” as if they were offering you riches beyond gold, and I would end up sitting there rigidly holding their baby with a smile pasted on my face, praying that someone would take the thing away before I broke it. I didn’t really like kids very much until they were 3 or so, when they could talk, and if you were lucky, listen to what you told them to do. They could be pretty entertaining at times, but they sure were high maintenance. Whenever my sister left my nieces at my Mom’s house for the day, I remember always being exhausted at the end of the day when she came to pick them up.

So now I was going to have a baby. This was scary stuff. I wasn’t even sure I liked kids that much. And I had just gotten married, and had just finished graduate school and just started my career with a consulting firm a few months earlier. I had really wanted to settle in and get used to my new life first before I even thought about adding a child to the picture. Although I am firmly pro-choice, the option of abortion never entered my head. We were physically, financially, and emotionally capable of adding a child to our life — it seemed immoral to consider aborting this child because the timing was inconvenient due to my own sloppiness with contraception. However, [SINCEREST apologies to anyone who has ever miscarried] I did find myself thinking a time or two that “Maybe I’ll just have a miscarriage and I won’t have to deal with any of this.”[/SINCEREST apologies to anyone who has ever miscarried]

Then, one morning a few week before my first OB appointment was scheduled, I noticed a little bleeding. As soon as I was faced with the possibility that those casual thoughts I had had about miscarriage might be coming true, I was horrified. I called into the HMO immediately to try to get an appointment for that day. Unfortunately, I found this out right about 7:00 AM, the time the HMO opened the phone lines to everyone in the community who wanted an appointment for that day. I kept getting busy signals, and then I finally got a person on the line to direct my call. She redirected my call to OB/GYN, but I got put on perpetual hold there. I hung up and tried calling again, and when I got a person again, I remember begging them to please not put me on hold, as I thought I was having a miscarriage.

We got an appointment for early that morning, but it was one of the longest and most anguished times I’d ever spent. All of the sudden, this wasn’t just some abstract pregnancy I was dealing with; this was my CHILD. All ambivalence was gone. I wanted THIS CHILD, and the thought of losing it was tearing me apart.

Fortunately, the bleeding turned out to be no big deal. It was a one-time thing, and the pregnancy went [mostly] well from there on. A month and a half past my first wedding anniversary, I gave birth to a son. It was the most incredible experience in the world to finally meet the kid who had been growing inside of me, dancing about inside my womb (and, in the hours before his birth, having his head used as a battering ram on the inner side of my cervix.) It was unreal to touch his tiny little hands, and look into his stunned little eyes. The discomfort I had felt in holding other people’s kids (OPK’s) was never there — it automatically felt just right to hold him in my arms. (Well, at least once I got over that fear of his head falling off if you didn’t support it well enough. They drilled that stuff into me too well. I spent the ride home from the hospital in the back seat beside him, holding his head carefully in a neutral position, lest it flop around and bounce off his spine when we drove over the railroad tracks.)

The feeling that I had had about OPKs being boring, ugly little lumps of flesh as infants didn’t exist with my own. It was fascinating to watch his every move, observe the perfection of his tiny little limbs. It was exciting to see him grow, physically and mentally. As a days old baby, it was clear that he knew the difference between me, the Mama, and everyone else in the world. And, hell yes, it is a wonderful, vain feeling to see the look in your child’s eyes that say that you are the center of his universe, and preferable to anyone else around. And then around 8 weeks or so, all the heretofore round-the-clock efforts that had previously gone unthanked were finally rewarded with a smile. From that point on, his laughter became the most beautiful music in the world to me.

Having and raising children is so great because it lets you [overworked metaphor alert] see the world through the eyes of a child again. [/overworked metaphor alert] As we grow up, we become so jaded about everything around us. As teens, “Big deal” becomes your catch phrase, and the commonplace just isn’t impressive enough. As you introduce the world to a child, though, you’re reawakend to how many wondrous things there are around us. You realize that things don’t have to be monumental to be impressive. I’m still amused when my younger son comes up to me and says “Wow, Mom, look at this rock!”, and shows me a piece of gravel as if it were one of the crown jewels. Then he shows me the detail of the rock (it sparkles! or it has a rainbow shaped stripe in it!) that makes it so special to him.

Though I’ve been carrying on as if parenthood is the most wonderful thing in the world, and everyone ought to do it, that’s not how I feel. Parenting is a lot of hard work and involves the loss of a lot of freedom. If you’re not willing to accept the down sides, you shouldn’t take it on. I’m not trying to say that those who DO choose to take on parenthood are more mature or morally superior than those who opt out. On the contrary, there are a lot of people who shouldn’t be parents. It breaks my heart to see parents who keep popping out kids, but then don’t take the responsibility to give them the physical and emotional support they deserve. Life is tough enough as it is; I couldn’t imagine the pain of knowing that your parents didn’t want you or care about you. And anyone who sees the potential within themselves or is in a relationship with someone who is/probably would be a child abuser should not, IMO, have children (this is the main reason I remain firmly pro-choice.) (BTW, pepperlandgirl, I’m not aiming these comments at you personally; I’m firmly up on my soapbox now and just spouting away.)

I am sure I could have lived a happy, productive life without ever having had kids. Life certainly would be simpler without them. They act like little petrie dishes their first couple of years of life, and bring home every cold virus out there and pass it along to you. It’s damned tough to find good child care so that you can work (if you choose or need to), and those child care arrangements you carefully arranged go straight to hell once your kiddo is sick (or, if you have a family child care provider, one of HER kids gets sick.) They cost a lot of money, and they take away your freedom of spontaneity. You can’t automatically stay late at work to finish up that project you’re needed on because you’ve got to look after the kids (and of course, then you’re seen as not being serious about your career.) You don’t see as many current movies any more — you catch up with them on video or pay-per-view (if you can stay awake.) You give up thoughts of a sportscar for a more practical sedan or minivan. Your idea of a good restaurant changes from one with unique, inventive food to one that offers chicken fingers for the kids as well as tolerable adult fare for you (and preferably doesn’t have a drive-through window.) You can’t just pick up and go off to Europe or wherever. And you start being afraid of your mortality. Sure, I was going to die as a childless person, too — but now I know that when I go, I will leave an endless ache in my children’s heart, and I just pray that it doesn’t happen until I have had a chance to see them to adulthood, as I can’t bear the thought of my kids not having a Mom. (Yup, there’s that old ego thing again.) Even worse, though, is the thought of your child dying — a truly unbearable thought, because even as I gloried over the feeling of knowing that I was the center of my newborn children’s universe, I knew then too that they were the center of my own, and I cannot imagine being without them.

I’ve blathered on more than long enough now, but just wanted to add one thing — IIRC, you’re still fairly young. I couldn’t have imagined having children at that age. That’s not to say that more age or maturity means that you’ll want to have children — but it is a good idea to enjoy life, and enjoy your married, child-free relationship for a while before you think about adding a child to the picture. You may or may not want to consider kids later, but I wouldn’t count out the possibility at this point.

YWalker, that was a helluva post.

Pepperlandgirl, I had my first and only child at 40 (well, my wife did). It might be something you want when you get older. I mean, at 23 I couldn’t see being stuck in the corporate world, but at 30 it was attractive. At 30, I wasn’t married and certainly in no rush to be although figured sooner or later I’d be hitched. We waited 6 years after being married to have our China Bambina, and she is simply a joy. We waited for no real reason, but then it was literally like one day it felt right and we had a bun in the over within days.

You’ve just got a natural feeling, although perhaps it’s in a minority, it’s still natural. If 5-10 years from now you think you want a child, that’s natural too. If you never feel like having a child, again that’s perfectly natural. There ain’t no right or wrong here, but some day you might get that moment of clarity…

[large thumbs-up WTG emoticon to Bricker]

Just wait till he’s fully ambulatory–then the real fun begins…

:smiley:

Oi! You’re not kidding. The first few months took years off my life…

For me, apart from the Uncontrollable Raw Biological Urge To Procreate™, I simply like children, I love watching the development of small humans, primarily in the mental arena, but also watching them grow physically is wonderful too (why is it that I worry that phrases like “watching their little bodies grow” sound like something a paedophile might say?). To be involved in that growth, both in terms of finding ways to stimulate their minds and providing nourishment for them, is tremendously satisfying.

Maybe it’s Memes as well as Genes; I love it when I can lead somebody to discovering wonderful ‘secrets’ without actually telling them what to find, just suggesting what to investigate.

Of course I do also realise that all of the satisfaction that I thus gain is merely my brain rewarding me for my compliance to the Uncontrollable Raw Biological Urge To Procreate™.

I had NEVER wanted kids all my life. Hated the thought.
Then I fell in love and naturally wanted to have my husbands child.
I dunno.
YMMV.

Two experiences…

The wife didn’t want children and the husband did. They would do things like go to Florida at Christmas, so he didn’t have to be around children and see what he was missing. He died when he was in his late thirties, offically of the flu, unoffically of a broken heart.

My secretary did not want children and her husband did not want children. They are as happy as can be.

I don’t want to turn this into Yet Another “Me Too!” post, but I’ll just say this…

Children are annoying, aggrivating, inconvenient, troublesome, rude, cranky, obnoxious, weird, and require constant tending.

But despite all the hassles, they are worth having and adoring because they will do happy things that give you a euphoric high and show hope for the future. They play with you, they trust you, they depend on you, they love you, and they make you the center of their universe.

(Then they become teenagers, but that’s a different story… :smiley: )

Talk about ego–are you asking us to flame you? I think you will have to do a lot better than that, friend. But I ain’t gonna flame, I’m going to partially agree–and I am a happy parent.

Actually I have said that at times, but of course, never in my son’s earshot. And, of course, I don’t mean it. And once the particular frustration that caused the thought is overcome, it is worth it–but yes, there is a lapse there.

I don’t try to make my son “better” to benefit the world, but I do try to make him a better person than I am. I won’t deny that for me, it was a strong biological urge, but I don’t believe that exists for everyone. And I never try to convince childless by choice or otherwise that I am superior or even that they are missing out or misguided. I made my decision, you’ve made yours, can’t we all just get along?
I can tell you that in my teens, I was flat out told by a doctor that I COULDN’T have kids for medical reasons. That, of course, made me want them although I hadn’t considered it before.

Before I had my son, my desire for children was based on the following psycholgical motivations (in no particular order):
-instinct (I had it, I don’t think we all do)
-desire for unconditional love
-desire to create a new “me” (not low self-esteem, more like curiousity)
-societal norm (see being told I couldn’t, above)
-desire for admiration and attention; everybody loves a new baby

A bit clinical perhaps, but there it is.

Laurel

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I hate to stomp on any parents’ toes, but all the benefits of having kids I’ve seen listed here so far, I get from my pets. Unconditional love, something to watch grow and develop, the chance to spoil another living creature completely rotten…all this can be yours for a few cans of food, a few toys, and some cuddle time.
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Not long ago, my daughter said to me, “You’re the bestest Mama I’ve ever seen.” No matter how you slice it, a pet can never say that to you. And a pet can never be your very flesh and blood. I’m sorry to say it, but a pet can also be replaced. A child cannot.

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Then you get married and after a suitable time period start popping out babies, because that’s just what people do.

You say you don’t want to step on my toes, and then you basically call me nothing but a reproductive machine? Contradictory, I’d say. I didn’t “pop out babies” because I thought it was the next logical step. I wanted them with all my heart and I love them with all my soul. If God allows, I want more than I have now.

I agree that women shouldn’t tell other women that they should want children. It’s no one else’s business what you want out of life. If you choose to have a hysterectomy, more power to you! If you are satisfied with your pets and don’t want anything else, no problem here. But please don’t be so mean to those of us who want, need, love and have children on PURPOSE. We aren’t a bunch of automatons that just go into “procreate mode” at a predetermined time. It isn’t anyone else’s business why we do want kids either.

Repeat this phrase over and over in doctor’s presence:
“It is my body and I don’t want kids.”
“It is my body and I don’t want kids.”
“It is my body and I don’t want kids.”

But I agree with Green Bean, a tubal ligation is the better choice. And please do kick people who nag you–they give parents (who have the hardest job imaginable) a very bad name.

A couple of years ago we were looking at the Westend in Frankfurt for an apartment. This is a nice area in the center of town, but it also abuts the Bahnhofsviertel, which is about the worst area of town. Its near the main train station; there is the red light district and it’s where the derelicts and addicts hang out.

As we took the escalator up from the train station we saw two young men shooting up in the stairwell. I asked Mrs. ShibbOleth what she thought about that. She replied, “I just thought that when his mother held him in her arms as a baby this was NOT the future she dreamed about for him.”

The point is that although we create children with the best of intentions and hope for their future, some children do not fulfill this destiny. I often wonder if someday, despite my best efforts to be an effective parent, what can happen outside my plans? This is in a way a parent’s burden as much as the joyous moments are also ours to share in.

Well, I never really wanted to have kids. I also found out in my very early 20’s that I have a combination of factors that make pregnancy difficult and vastly increase the risk of birth defects. I got a tubal ligation at 24 - and don’t think that didn’t take some fighting. So I had pretty much forgotten the possibility.

Then I met Mr. Seawitch. He has twin boys from a prior marriage. It turns out that I didn’t want to grow my own babies, but I seem to have the makings of a perfectly decent Evil Stepmom[sup]TM[/sup].

I guess my point here is that anything is possible, and regardless of how firmly held your convictions are, they are subject to change. Give yourself time.

<<And a pet can never be your very flesh and blood. I’m sorry to say it, but a pet can also be replaced. A child cannot.
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It always bugged me when people said “Why don’t you have a second child? What if something happens to your first one?”
No, pets aren’t children, but they’re not interchangeable parts, either. I can’t replace my grandmother’s wedding ring, much less my cat.

As for kids…I’d love to raise children. They don’t even have to be my own biological children. I think kids are cool people, I like hanging out with them, and I wouldn’t mind being the person responsible for them, either. On the other hand, if I live my life and never get called Mommy, that’s okay too.

Funny, I went through being devastated that I couldn’t have children; it was like the death of a dream. No being pregnant, no mad passionate sex trying to conceive, no labor or birth or holding my child for the first time…and after I got over that disappointment, what I found was that my actual feelings toward kids, per se, are the above. Love 'em, wouldn’t mind having some, but won’t die without them.

Of course, if people abandoned children on the side of the road like they do puppies and kitties, I’d have half a dozen…

Corr

Let me please say that I didn’t mean to infer that people’s pets are not important. I don’t think that women who don’t have children, either by choice or by circumstance, are inherently worse off. I apologize if anything I said came across that way.

I believe with my whole heart that a woman should never be told whether or not she should have children, just like no one should be told whether or not to go to college, get married or anything else having to do with her future. I’ve always hated it that our lives are under some huge microscope and everything we do is used against us to measure our worth as women.

I was just a little ticked off because it seemed that the poster I was responding to was saying that the only reason I have children is because I’m too stupid to do anything else or because I had nothing better to do with my life. She seemed to be saying that it was stupid to have kids for all the reasons the other posters listed because cats are more cost effective. The term “popping out babies” is extremely insulting to me as well.

To have children or not is a choice that everyone–man or woman–has to make on their own. No one should butt in and analyze another woman’s decision to death. And no one has the right to deride another woman’s choice. Mothers are not any more or less enlightened human beings because of who we are and neither are people who don’t want to be mothers.

Again, I apologize if I seemed to be derisive of women who choose not to have kids or are unable to. My sister went through many painful years of childlessness and my sister-in-law is going through it now. I would never DREAM of being disrespectful to any woman enduring that kind of heartache. Women that don’t want kids don’t have to make any excuses to me. I guess I just felt a little stepped on and got defensive. Sorry. :slight_smile:

Don’t know any parents personally, eh?

Then there’s nights like tonight.

I too am an Evil Stepmom. It’s fun. My stepson, the Timinator, is eight years old, and a budding musician (comes by it honestly–my husband is a musician.)

The Timinator and Mr. Persephone were dicussing various bands. Timinator was interested in learning how some bands got together. One group that he likes is the Monkees. I told him that I myself love the Monkees, and have some of their albums.

He looks at me, and in all seriousness says…

“What’s an album?”

sob

Kids are wonderful, really. I love my stepson to bits. But they can occasionally make you feel eally, really old. :smiley:

Pepper, only you can decide what’s best for you. Look towards your family and friends for guidance and example. Personally…I’d rather have herpes.:smiley: