Agree with many of the previous posters. A good chunk of Canadian popular nationalism is rooted in comparisons to the USA. We also suffer from a dated and stubborn attachment to the UK and inconsistencies regarding our national narrative.
Every Canadian should read John Ralston Sauls A Fair Country.
Huh, I haven’t had had the same experience as the OP. Usually the conversation goes something like, “You’re from California? And you moved to Toronto?? Why on earth would you do that???” Maybe, because I live here, people just assume I’ve bought into the whole Canadian superiority thing. (It’s kind of true!).
This Canadian recommends it highly, very educational.
And hey, I’ve been that person saying, “Why’d you move here?” To a Colombian immigrant. I was just surprised that someone from South America wouldn’t see the USA as the only place worth struggling to immigrate to. Her response was that having come from Colombia she found the American gun culture too much like home. Then she said, “Canada doesn’t do any evil in the world.” I’m not sure that’s entirely true, but I understood the sentiment at least.
No matter where you go in the world, what your nationality, it’s interesting to both field questions about your own land, and to share your view of someone else’s land. I always find it interesting to talk to persons just visiting Canada. You kind of get to see through someone else’s eyes, briefly. Whether the view is favourable or not, well, that can’t be helped. It’s still interesting.
I don’t ever watch Fox News (don’t even have the channel) and yes, it’s really there when you’re looking for it (which this thread is making me do, which makes me look more defensive, which is the root of the OP…vicious circle!)
Yes, your faults are on open display, but they are nearly always couched in terminology along the lines of “because we are the land of the free!”, or “because we are the best country in the world”, or similar. It’s almost as if, if your politicians didn’t say it, they’d be considered to be “less American” than another one. How many “Obama hates America!” and “The Republicans want to destroy America!” ad campaigns are there? They are all based on the idea that your country is The.Best.Thing.EVAR!.And.If.You.Don’t.Agree.With.Me.You.Aren’t.A.Real.American.And.You.Hate.America! This attitude has been greatly amplified in the past decade or so, but that’s the context of this thread, isn’t it? This attitude is really there, and not just in politics. I think a lot of the time Americans (and Canadians, really…it’s not like it’s actually something that bothers me much) tune it out, but when it comes up in conversation, it’s really there.
Yes, we do put the maple leaf in our logos, because unfortunately(?) the default assumption is that a large corporation is American unless we are told otherwise. That’s how successful you’ve been in selling us stuff, in entering our markets and establishing corporate presences here. Good for you, but once in a while it’s nice to know that our little country has done things too. For American companies like Wendy’s and McDonald’s, it’s an appeal to the citizens; just advertising. Besides, the maple leaf has a simple design which can fit into all sorts of advertising, so why not include it in order to appeal to the “little brother”?
And the idea that Americans only fly the flag on Independence day is funny to me - your flag is everywhere, but again, I don’t think you notice it, just as I’m sure I don’t notice a lot of the Canadian cliché stuff. Also, keep in mind that the past few years led up to this year’s Olympics - there’s a pride/nationalistic effect that came with Vancouver winning that and successfully having them, so our Canadiana is a little amplified right now.
Because, again, we are so awash in American tv, movies, music, theatre, pop culture, etc, that if we don’t say that someone is Canadian, the default assumption is that they are American. You don’t have that issue, but if all your greatest artists/pop stars started died and people constantly mistook them for being Canadian, it would annoy you sooner or later. You’d start pointing out that no, he’s not from Moose Jaw, he’s from Boise!
Do you happen to know what proportion of those visitors are from the GTA/Southern Ontario (Hamilton, St.Catherines)? If it’s the majority, then I’d WAG that there’s a regional competition going on - “border” cities compete for jobs, and share economies in a way that Hamilton doesn’t with, say, Boise. So a “Ha! I’ve lost my job too, but at least my house is nicer!” attitude might not be unexpected. That’s just a total WAG, though, and I don’t really know how much of an impact that has, if at all.
It’s too bad that you see Canadian tourists in that light, but I remember when I lived in the Hammer, people often complained about American tourists being the same way. I think it goes back to the “little brother” thing, though. As I said at the start of the post, you get into a vicious circle, because sooner or later someone makes a comment like the ones in the OP, and in the end, everyone walks away wondering why Americans are so obnoxious and why Canadians are so defensive.
In my experiences living and travelling around Asia, it’s been common to see Canadian tourists have a Canadian flag patch/sticker on their backpacks/luggage. I’ve also seen Aussies and New Zealanders with their respective flag patches and stickers.
The rationale for the maple flags usually falls into two categories.
I don’t want to be mistaken for an American
I love Canada so much!
I wouldn’t be caught dead with a flag on my pack. Nothing says I’m a newbie, insecure traveler like slapping a flag on a backpack.
I like to keep a bit of anonymity when I’m exploring places. If folks ask…sure, I’ll tell them, but I don’t feel the need to advertise my nationality.
I’ve traveled and trekked quite a few places around the world (including some rougher locales)…often in the company of Americans. The only problem I’ve ever encountered regarding nationality was actually from another traveler. Not one issue from locals.
To be honest…in eyes of the international budget backpack travel industry…everyone is essentially just a western tourist with cash to burn. Nationalities in most cases are moot. You are all pretty much going to be treated the same way (and usually that is based on your behavior).
I’ve heard, but cannot confirm, that it’s also common to see American tourists with a Canadian flag patch or sticker on their packs! I don’t know how common it really is, but I know I’ve met a few in Germany and France! Whether or not it’s true, there seems to be a pretty common idea that Canadians are treated better overseas, and I’ve met at least a couple of Americans who decided to try it.
I bought a name tag for my luggage… and the only one I found that was in leather has a maple leaf with “Canada” printed on it. Honestly, I would have preferred something more neutral that’s both classier and doesn’t make me feel like I’m making a political statement.
A fair amount of this, on both sides, is simple confirmation bias. Every country has its rabid nationalists; they tend to be less visible to one’s fellow-countrymen than the other guy’s - who are, inevitably, the more jarring.
Hence, the odd phenom of Americans claiming that American patriotism and exceptionalism isn’t really a big deal (which would be met with incredulity in much of the rest of the world).
As for Buffalo - it suffers by being in the odd position of a relatively minor city of the by-far-more-significant country, near to a major urban centre of the more-minor country. Visitors to Buffalo are likely to be from the GTA - what you see is partly small-town vs. big-town dynamics.
As an American, I’ve never been treated substandardly in Europe or Mexico versus any typical Canadian tourist. So far, no one’s ever proclaimed that being (or pretending to be) Canadian results in, say, free fellatio from hotel staffs. For the most part, people everywhere else in the world are like us. Would you expect to treat someone badly in the USA because you found out he was from Northern Ireland instead of Ireland?
No, of course not. I’m not saying Americans are treated differently overseas. I’m saying (some) American travellers believe they’ll be treated differently overseas, leading them to choose to travel under a Canadian flag on the belief that it might make a difference.
I know from my personal experiences that Canadians are generally well liked in Europe, in part because of our role in some areas in WWII (the Dutch love us!), in part because we are a tiny country (population-wise) that never really hurt anyone, and because of the stereotype that we are quiet, polite, respectful people while Americans are loud, brash, obnoxious, and an influential world power.
It’s about perception, but whether it’s actually true is a whole other matter. For the record, I don’t think it is true at all (other than perhaps the world power/influential issue!)
Back in the seventies, when I travelled Europe, I experienced numerous encounters of American bashing once my counterpart in conversation learned that I was Canadian.
All the same from personal experience, most Americans are well liked in Europe, too. Sure, you get the boorish Merkins, but like you indicate, the actual differences are a stereotype rather than the real truth! As for the Dutch, they’re great people. After all, we liberated France and all they do is thumb their noses at us! (In reality, once you get outside of Paris, the French are great people and should be counted amongst our closest friends.)
That may be more of an example of tailoring your conversation subjects to what you expect to please your interlocutor. IOW, if you’d told them you were American, maybe you’d have heard about how tiresome Canadians are when they try to compare their country with the US.
I have a few American friends who have claimed to be Canadian while traveling. It immediately makes me lose a little respect for them. I’m no flag-waving, “my country right or wrong” type, but it just strikes me as completely lame and pathetic.
FWIW, I’ve been to eighteen countries, never hid that I was American, and, AFAICT, never received substandard service or treatment as a result. If someone wants to challenge me about American foreign policy, I can discuss the issue rationally and politely, and maybe change their minds about stereotypes.
In a post about American stereotypes, this statement makes me laugh (I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a joke). I can totally imagine a stereotypical American walking into a shop in Paris, asking for a croissant and then demanding gratitude for the liberation of France and getting all offended when the French tell him to fuck off.
Canada has to look up America’s ass because America is constantly mooning them. They have to share our business climate and our media culture because we are not only neighbors, but so much bigger and more powerful.
I can imagine it was a little different when they were still a British dominion and not yet a commonwealth, but now it’s David and Goliath sharing bunk beds.
Canadian insecurity is really tiring. The US is an overwhelming media influence, the worlds great power and our very close neighbour. They are the big brother we constantly hear about. Canada has a lot going for it, but this is still no excuse for the constant small time propping of Canadian ego.
Hari Seldon, that makes me laugh. The CBC has its good moments but their constant need to nurse our inferiority complex is just embarrassing. Both my dad and my stepfather were spitting mad with Radio 2’s switch away from all classical/jazz to “utter crap” (their words). They are both very conservative voters and classical music was the reason they supported CBC. I wondered about your theory myself.
Actually I’m not surprised based on the area you’re visiting Jackknifed especially the GTA. But we’re not all like that.
From what I’ve deducted you’re either running into people have an inferiority complex or generally vote left and or a combination of both. Not all lefties are like that up here but from my experience a lot of them are, as well you may find a few right voting Canadians that hold the same views but I can guarantee you there aren’t as many.
Don’t get me wrong us right wingers up here aren’t the USA could never do anything wrong lot. I for one was against the 2nd Iraq war from the get go and to think that you haven’t recognized same sex marriage yet a little silly. But I see a lot Canada could adopt from the US that would make Canada a better country.
Funny story about your encounter with a stripper complaing about US marijuana laws because last time I checked pot is still illegal up here as well.
You lefties down south may have more in common with us right wingers up here after all