Really? When you, personally, don’t like something, it bothers you to hear it praised?
Glad to be of assistance. 
I tend to agree regarding other bands as well. I can appreciate outstanding musicians, but when that’s the primary showcase, I tend to lose interest after a while. Jam bands tend not to be my cup of tea, for example, though they’re fun for a bit, or if I’m in the right mood. I love great melody and harmony, interesting chord progressions and arrangements–the songs themselves. Not that personality and virtuosity are lost on me; I am fascinated by iconic performers. But frankly I tend to love bands that are at the start great composers, with a discerning, unerring ear for what produces a terrific song–and chops enough to produce one.
Yes, because it takes away praising for other things, or lessens praise of other things, or sparks jealousy within me that other things I like better aren’t being praised. Eh, such is life
Wow. I think this is the stupidist thing I’ve read on these boards, and that’s taking truther and creationist threads into account.
Got it. Either you’re a complete moron or 13 years old.
No, this is stupider:
It doesn’t matter if you’re a Charter Liberal with the scroll and sandals to prove it, if you tolerate “Imagine” for political reasons, you’re a dolt.
Dude, you said you didn’t like the Beatles because you actually thought they were a 50’s band.
It’s like this:
YogSosoth: I hate apples because you have to peel them and the juices get all over you. Plus, they’re just too sour.
Other people: Dude, that’s an orange. Apples are crunchy and not necessarily sour other than granny smith.
YogSosoth: I don’t need to know everything about apples to know how they taste and I don’t like apples. I mean, how many apples do I need to eat before I can dismiss them?
Other people: Enough to know what an apple is, you moron.
No, I don’t think you realize how much the effect of praise can affect a person’s proclivity to enjoy something. Ever been burned by hype? Guess what? That’s too much praise too soon and your disappointment is proportional to your expectations. If someone was crap and you expected it, a person may not hate it as much. It’s hardly a new concept, it’s just human nature
Or a normal human being who is affected by other people’s opinions. I know many people on this board are smart and think that “no man is an island” doesn’t apply to them, but you can be just as affected by advertisment and propaganda as anyone else. Such is the example here by your surprisingly vicious defense of a band I dislike
I can like or dislike music for whatever reason I want. You calling me a dolt is an attempt to qualify the music with some objective value that doesn’t exist. I hate the Beatles, but like Imagine cause of the theme. Yeah, that’s real messed up :rolleyes:
^And this is also another reason why I hate the Beatles: their fans. Get one thing wrong about them and it’s like you’re not worthy to criticize them :rolleyes: It doesn’t matter what I thought of them: it’s music, not some factual dissertation of physics. I can dislike them for their haircut, for their politics, for the fact that they aren’t all named Bazooka Joe, it doesn’t matter. It’s music. So I got their decade wrong, so what? I didn’t much care for the 60’s either so I’m not going to suddenly like their music.
WTF are you talking about? My reply had nothing to do with a “band you dislike”. As an adult, I don’t think your opinion on some musician reflects on me as a person at all. Here’s what I was responding to (damn, you’d think I’d have quoted it directly or something so you wouldn’t get confused):
You seem to think there’s a finite amount of praise in the world, and if one person’s getting it it’s unfairly being taken away from somebody else, which is demonstrably retarded. Then you go on to say you get jealous when the things you like don’t get as much praise as other things, as if the amount of praise something gets somehow affects your appreciation of it. That seems childish as hell to me. Most of the stuff I’ve liked since high school hasn’t gotten much mainstream press/airplay, but that doesn’t somehow lessen the impact it’s had on my life. It also doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate art that has achieved mainstream success. I like what I like. You seem too susceptible to outside factors influencing your opinion rather than judging things on their subjective merits.
No. Normal people do not let someone else’s opinion of things affect their like or dislike of that thing.
Again, no. If I say I like, I dunno, The Clash, I’m engaging in “advertisement and propoganda?” Are you insane?
No one is mad at you for not liking the Beatles. Peoiple are mad because you say factually incorrect things, and act like a whiny bitch when called on it. And also because you actually–if you’re not trolling, which I sort of hope is the case–apparently get mad when someone likes something you don’t, which is profoundly abnormal and stupid.
This is a pretty much insupportable statement. There are any number of psych studies (plus it is pretty much ubiquitous personal experience) that normal people’s likes and dislikes are very much affected by others’ opinions.
If you’d said “should” instead of “do”, I would tend to agree with your opinion. However, your statement of fact is wronger than a wrong thing that is wrong.
Of course we’re affected by our environments. But hearing some random person praising something you don’t like isn’t going to make you like it. It certainly shouldn’t piss you off or make you feel manipulated.
You’re toning down what you said now. “Affect” has become “make you like something you didn’t” and the “should” word has been introduced.
Well depends on what you’re actually trying to say. It’s one thing to say you don’t enjoy a piece of music - it’s a whole 'nother thing to say it’s shit, for example.
I can totally accept that anyone on the planet does not enjoy listening to the Beatles. I can’t accept that anyone honestly thinks their music is shit, for example. Hey, I’d go as far as to say that’s a fact.
I really like hearing (or reading) things praised.
I’ll often go actively looking for positive, admiring reviews of things I like (bands, books, movies, etc.). They make good reading, and sometimes, if they’re insightful, they help me to appreciate those things even more.
But I also like reading praise of things I am unfamiliar with, or even things I actively dislike, if the praise is intelligent and explains why people like it. This is one way I get introduced to new favorites, or get induced to give a second chance to something I might have previously dismissed. Even when it doesn’t change my own negative opinion of something, it can help me understand what other people see in it and/or why I don’t like it—so, ignorance fought!
Whatever you say, chief.
If having a bigger emotional reaction to Pearl Jam than to the Beatles is “wrong” I don’t ever want to be “right”…
“Cut your fucking hair, Vedder!”
You obviously think my opinion on music reflects on me, which is why you resorted to childish name-calling. You even had some stupid issue with the subjectivity of my criteria for not liking them. Get it through your head, it doesn’t mean shit why I dislike the Beatles, I simply dislike them. And my reasons are my own.
Spoken like a real 13 year old trying to act smart. Your contention is that basically no other person’s opinion on anything should affect a person. Now THAT’S stupid. As much as you want to suppress your lizard brain’s million years of evolution, you can’t. You are affected by advertisments. You are affected by what other people think. I wasn’t sure if I should have posted that I was a little bit jealous before I wrote that because I knew that there would be juvenile comments from internet tough guys criticizing me for something so common yet almost always denied.
The complete honest truth is that all of us are, to a degree, upset that our favorite bands and artists aren’t getting the critical acclaim and sales that we think they deserve, unless our favorite bands are already at the top of the mountain. So yes, there’s a little bit of jealousy, a little bit of in-group bias, and a lot of idiots like you denying that you feel anything as if you’re some kind of robot.
Seriously, if tomorrow Ringo stabs a family member of yours, you’re probably going to have issues listening to his music. Such is life, that’s all I meant. I have a lot of other bands and music I prefer, but they never appear on lists of Greatest Band Ever or Most Influential. I think that goes with most of us. And yes, sometimes I wish that Uematsu can sell out stadiums and have yearly 30 city concert tours and that I could hear his stuff on the radio. It doesn’t affect me that much but yes, I admit, it affects me a little. So when somebody like you or other people here walks in here and says “Oh there’s no way your criticism of the Beatles is correct, you must dislike them because of some inherent deficiencies in you”, then I get a little upset. Just a little, because music’s not a big part of my life. So get over yourself, it’s not a big deal if I wished my favorite music pieces were more well regarded.
Yes they do. It happens all the time. Ever think a band or artist is a “sell out”? Deny it if you want, but I bet the thought has crossed your mind. That’s because you feel that your special band that only you and your roommate knows about is now being fawned over by a bunch of ditzy teenage music retards who only like it cause it’s on the radio. It’s ok man, you can admit it, other people’s opinions can affect you
Way to put words in my mouth :rolleyes: Find me the quote where I said people like music ONLY due to ads and propaganda. I distinctly remember saying it just affects it. It may be a big affect for some people, it may be small. But it’s there
I must have missed that part where I was whiny. Then again, that’s subjective too, so I dispute that claim So they’re not from the 50’s, so what? I still dislike them, the end.
And it’s not abnormal to have other people’s opinions affect your own. It makes me a normal human being to be able to admit that. It’s only when one allows themselves to be adversely affected disproportional to the opinion that it becomes abnormal and stupid. For instance, if my best friend likes a band and tries to get me to listen to it all the time, it’s not abnormal nor stupid for me to eventually start liking it. It IS stupid to claim that a person is never or should never be affected like that
You really are retarded. I don’t give a fuck if you like The Beatles, and I never called you names because of your opinion of them. I pointed out that you were incorrect in thinking they were a '50s band, and then called you names for the stupid non-Beatles-related shit you posted later, which I even directly quoted twice. For fuck’s sake, you’re thick.
I never said shit about you being deficient for not liking the Beatles, only about being deficient in your knowledge of when they recorded. Re-read the thread, dipshit. Wasn’t me.
Anyway, nice mind-reading, but no, I’m not the least bit upset my favorite artists aren’t getting the sales of Britney Spears or whoever the fuck. And no, other people disliking or badmouthing something I like doesn’t affect me. Sorry to throw a wrench into your thesis. It might have more when I was younger and more concerned with being cool, but it doesn’t mean anything to me now other than those people have different tastes. I’m secure enough in my tastes that I can honestly say I’m not the least influenced by others’ views, other than I’ll listen to educated reviewers to see if they got something out of a work I might have missed. Sorry you’re such an insecure pussy.
Also, with TiVO, I never have to see advertisements, much less be influenced by them.