Why do we care about puppies and kitties more?

While reading this thread, Do Pet Stores Still Exist?, I started to wonder how the people who are so outraged by pets from puppy mills, seem to have no real problem with the sale of “small animals” such as guinea pigs, ferrets, rats, reptiles, birds and fish at stores like Petco.

Why is it wrong to factory-breed dogs and/or cats for the mass market, but okay to do so with gerbils and hamsters?

We have three guinea pigs. One was bought from a Mom & Pop pet store, was was taken in from a friend who couldn’t keep it and one was bought at Petco. I have no illusion that our pets were bred by loving owners who are concerned about the quality of care they will receive after the sale is rung up. They were produced commercially to be sold as pets.

What’s the deal with puppies and kitties? They’re bigger? They live a few years longer? They understand English better? They’ve starred in more TV shows and movies?

While so many people are praising the goodness of PetSmart or Petco, I really see no one in the other Pet Shop thread saying much about the animals in little glass boxes that they do sell.

I suppose one factor might be that those other small animals often spend the majority of their lives in cages even after being adopted as pets, whereas dogs and cats typically run free.

It’s only by the folks that attribute human qualities to cats and dogs.

I honestly think that people place more emphasis on the reproduction of dogs and cats simply because they’re more common as pets. Rabbits, guinea pigs, ferrets, etc. are considered exotic pets, and they’re not as popular.

Personally, I’m a rabbit lover, and very concerned about what happens to the bunnies that are overbred. I have two rabbits. One of them, I purchased from a family selling baby bunnies on craigslist… out of their backyard (over-full) hutches. I hate the idea of rabbits kept in outdoor hutches! It was almost impossible for me to take only one of the babies, but the kid selling them didn’t even know what sex the bunnies were! I didn’t need to accidently breed them before getting them fixed. My second bunny was a charity rabbit that was given to me by a family that originally rescued him from a shelter. Unfortunately, they rescued him for their 8 year old daughter, who had little to no interest in having a pet rabbit. Now, I have a barely socialized bunny on my hands that I’m trying very hard to teach to be a loving house rabbit. People seem to think rabbits are made to sit in a hutch or cage and do nothing, and it drives me absolutely up a wall! That’s no life for any animal!

Ok… I’m not going to rant on this. I won’t stop if I get started.

Pets or meat?

How about popping a warning re that video, pal?

If you click on the video above, note that the answer to the “pets or meat” question is “meat,” and Mr. Bunny gets killed at 1:05 in the video. FFS.

Thank you!

I’m less than interested in watching a rabbit get butchered. And I’ve eaten them, yes. Never eaten my pets. I’ve eaten store bought rabbit meat.

Also cleaned lots and lots of other animals, as I was, at one point (recently) married to an avid hunter. But still, Wilbo, that was in kinda poor taste without a warning.

My roommate, for one, tends to go on about rodent mills and how PetCo is eeeeevil. As you can imagine, she is owned by four rodents herself (two mice and two rats).

I don’t see why this is a mystery. Cats and dogs display more ‘human-like’ qualities than most rodents, let alone fish and the like, and cat and dog owners are far more numerous. Thus, perceived mistreatment of cats or dogs arouses more concern.

I’d say there’s more of a tendency to anthropomorphize cats and dogs, not that cats and dogs are necessarily inherently human-like. But, similar things.

Especially with cats. When a cat ignores its owner, sometimes the owners ascribe all kinds of human characteristics to the cat (oh she’s such a queen, she’s intentionally showing me that she has an independent personality!). When really the cat is not capable of this sort of higher thought.

Certainly, people anthropomorphize their pets. But they have objective reason to do so more with cats & dogs than (say) gerbils or snakes, because these animals (cats and dogs) are more capable of actions humans can relate with.

After all, people regularly let their cats out of the house, confident that they will return. Who lets their snake or gerbil out to roam the neighbourhood?

Most of the concern expressed about commercial sale of tropical fish and reptiles, to my knowledge, revolves around depletion of wild stocks and mishandling of shipments resulting in unnecessary deaths. Cold-blooded creatures that have minimal intelligence and potential for human interaction are obviously going to draw less attention than cats and dogs, with which we have a long and mutually beneficial relationship.

As for “rodent mills”, I wouldn’t be surprised if they exist, but we’re talking about animals that like to live in small enclosed spaces for the most part anyway - not that they don’t deserve to be treated well in captivity.

Is there a mass movement out there to promote better treatment of bettas? Seems cruel to keep them in those tiny little containers.

My dog has protected me from a dog attack, he’s stood guard in front of an unattended baby stroller until the owner returned, he’s woken my parents at 3am when someone was rummaging around on our patio (and had to travel over an acre on our property to get to it) and he’s growled and stood between my mother and an illegal immigrant brandishing a knife.

A pet? He’s moreso a family member. I didn’t even shed a tear when I flushed my dead goldfish down the toilet.

For the same reason when I had a mouse in my house I felt so bad killing it. Till I found out he invited his buddies over. By the third mouse, I squished, I not only didn’t care anymore, I turned bloodthristy in my vengence over those stupid rodents. Chewing up things, leaving dropping, tipping over my food containers. One by one, they all met the fate of a glue trap or my shoe.

And yes I tried humane traps, and electric mouse zappers and regular mouse traps, they wouldn’t go near those things. The only thing that caught them was a glue trap or my foot. :slight_smile:

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“Somehow, it always seems worse to kill a large animal.”

With all due respect… this is an astonishingly ignorant statement of the sort I wouldn’t expect to see in 2010 at all, much less a place like the SDMB.

Animals of all kinds have been conclusively shown to have very real emotions, and needs that correlate with those emotions.

One need not anthropomorphize in the slightest way to recognize that dogs suffer horribly from being caged, isolated, and deprived of mental and physical stimulation. These are the issues with puppy mill puppies… while the puppies themselves are far more likely to be genetically dicey and to suffer from disease, the real outrage is around the breeding bitches, whose lives are hellish. Buying the puppies supports the suffering of their mothers.

Dogs are social animals, with deep needs to be part of a group, to have physical contact with group members. They need to have a leader in order to feel secure and avoid anxiety, they need to be stimulated and challenged to avoid miserable monotony.

In addition, they are physically neglected, which leads to physical pain and suffering, something that I’m sure you can understand is a valid concern… an animal doesn’t have to do higher math to suffer physically!

/Horshack “Ooo OOo OOO” I know this one!

In fact, if you have Netflix, watch Nova: Dogs Decoded. Watch that and skip the rest of this.
Communication between dogs and humans is at an extremely high level, more than any other cross species communication.

If you put a treat under one of two cups, a chimp will not pay any attention to your pointing to the right one. It has already decided which one it will choose and you will not influence that because he does not care what you are doing, he is too self absorbed. The dog will not only understand you pointing, but will notice your eye movement. All you have to do is look at it. This works naturally on 6 month old puppies without training.

The human eye, being almond shaped, communicates direction, displeasure, etc. , but the important thing is that the dog is paying attention to you and your communication attempt, unlike most animals. The human eye follows specific patterns when looking at another human, the dog’s eye makes the exact same movements.

People are usually left eye dominant, so they concentrate on the right side of the other person’s face, first staring at the right eye, then the bridge of the nose, then back again repeatedly, eventually detouring to the other eye or the mouth, but always returning to the right eye. The human face shows emotion on the right side, leaving the left side to make a poorly formed mirror. The dog’s eye makes the exact same movement looking at even a still photo of a human face, but not a dog face. The human makes the movements for both dog and human. It does not do this for most animals (the show had little to say about cats).

So there is visual communication. There is also verbal. People can understand recorded barking and the basic emotional content. Dogs can understand a fair amount of spoken language (one dog had a vocab of 340 words).

There is some similarity in thought process. Dogs can understand abstract ideas. When shown a small train, the dog brought back a train, even though it was a different size and color. He even retrieved based on a PHOTO of the desired object. He knew it was not just a piece of paper.

The crucial factor is that the dog wants to please and be praised. He pays very close attention to your mood and desires. The human returns the affection.

The other focus of the show was also interesting. How did dogs become tame? They gave a wolf pup to a student to raise (after they already raised a dog puppy). The human bottle fed the wolf, was never apart from it ever. For six weeks the wolf was a puppy like any other. Then it changed. It was not interested in what the human did. It would jump on the table and steal food right off the plate and scolding made zero impact. It did not care that the human was displeased. It got so bad the wolf got kicked out for destroying everything (and returned to live with other wolves). So you can’t tame a wild animal. It will not communicate with you.

The Soviet Union started an experiment 50 years ago to breed wild foxes selectively. They chose based on aggression. The pup that neither withdrew or attacked, but maintained a casual attitude when approached. They also did the opposite, selecting the most aggressive. The results are predictable enough, but the surprise among the now completely tame offspring is that they now resemble dogs. The fur is no longer white. It looks like a husky, with colored patterns. The random genetics that come along with selecting for aggression.

So, wolves and humans being both daylight carnivores, they cross paths frequently. Humans always have stacks of tasty bones leftover. Some wolves are not scared or aggressive and hang out with humans. Both species benefit greatly by hunting together (tracking, intelligence, etc.) and communication begins in earnest. Everyone wins.

Except that we no longer need dogs. Why do we still have them? Humans have an instinct for nurturing. Because of the level of interaction and the emotional understanding and bonding, humans feel compelled to have pets, except that at this stage the dogs amount to parasites, taking full advantage of our built in need to nurture. This is the true answer to the question of the OP.

One of the things you forgot was the oxytocin… a human petting their dog experiences the same rise in oxytocin as a mother nursing a baby! And the dog ALSO experiences a matching rise in oxytocin.
And the dog that retrieved the object after looking at the photo is considered the most intelligent dog in the world. She’s freaky smart, lives in Austria. Border collie, of course.

re dogs:

See this episode of NOVA.

From the description:

edit: I see I was beat to it.