I doubt it. Most of the really wealthy people I know, or know of, are paranoid and quite ignorant of things outside their areas of expertise.
There’s little reason to believe that the wealthy people who own lots of Big Pharma stock are anything more than just smart/lucky investors and businesspeople. I’d say that’s largely true of the CEO and executives of those companies, as well.
I MIGHT be willing to believe that a few of the actual scientists who do the actual research are keeping some awesome natural cures to themselves. Those guys see the results of research firsthand. Such experience is harder to forget or ignore. Remember, if it can’t be patented, there’s no incentive to develop/sell it.
In addition, there’s a great risk if the truth came out. Can you imagine the shitstorm if some Big Pharma executive was caught taking his kid down to Mexico for some alternative cancer clinic? Who’s going to risk that? Even messier would be if he got caught making the medicine himself, and then giving to the kid.
You keep giving the examples of Vlad the Impaler and Abraham Lincoln. Look at the list of conspiracies that I posted. One of the conspiracies is the Bible conspiracy theory which I wrote down as “possible” because it it possible that Jesus had a wife and, futhermore, it is possible that Jesus had children. Some people believe Jesus was born of a virgin and rose from the dead. Some people believe Jesus had a wife and had children. I am not going to go into whether it is possble that Jesus rose from the dead in the same sense that it is possible that Jesus had children. However, I made my point.
It is possible that there is development of weapons techonology like in the Manhattan Project. Likewise, it is possible that there is weapons testing. It is possible that there is supression of technologies just as it is possible that there are conspiracies involving traditional, natural, and alternative medicines. Similarily, it is possible that there is a conspiracy involving peak oil.
Now, let’s look at some conspiracies that are real. Operation AJAX, also know as the 1953 Iranian coup d’état, had some interesting participants according to the Wikipedia article: CIA and MI-6.
Are we talking about the actual Illuminati, the one which no longer exists?
Or the magical, imaginary, super-powered criminal organization whose existence is only suggested because it has the same name as a secret society which ended two centuries ago and whose only definiable trait is that they fit in well with your CT’s?
RationalWiki claims that the Illuminati was founded in 1776 and ceased to exist in 1789. Assuming this claim is true, the Illuminati must have been very busy during those years.
What did they do? Seriously, from 1776 to 1789, what did they do?
And how about the Romans, eh? Everybody thinks that their empire fell centuries ago, but how do we really know? All of reality becomes a lot clearer if we assume that the Romans still exist, that the Illuminati still exists, and that the Romans are controlling the Illuminati. I’ll take my Nobel Prize now, please. Fnord.
Basically, they joined a few Masonic lodges, wrote a few tracts championing a “rational” society, quarrelled among themselves as to who was top dog, and broke up when they got themselves outlawed for promoting changes to German society against the will of the Bavarian Prince.
None of their tracts every brought about any changes, other than to attract the attention of a paranoid ruler who ordered them disbanded.
If John Robison and, to an extent, Augustin Barruel, had not written a couple of woo-woo Conspiracy Theory books, they would have been nothing but footnotes to the end of the Enlightenment.
Wonder why our elite conspiracy-unravelers have yet to discover any of these cures or where they are supposedly occurring. Or explain how the rich and famous are getting cancer just like the rest of us, and either surviving or dying much like the remainder of the population.
Kozmik, will you please explain what makes a conspiracy theory “possible” other than your opinion that it’s possible? I don’t see any logical or rational basis for your categories. It sounds like you’re using a tautology to make the whole NWO/Illuminati thing “possible:” the theory is possible because the Illuminati existed, but the only reason they’re included in the theory is that they were real in the first place. It doesn’t make the idea that they survived the 1780s, went global, and got into this NWO thing plausible.
How do you figure? The fact that they lasted nine yeares isn’t evidence they were “busy,” it’s evidence they were not a strong organization. A short lifespan doesn’t prove you got a lot done. It’s an indication of the opposite.
If they hadn’t gone out of business 200 years ago, you mean?
But why does anybody have anything against it?! Serious question. Anything that might eventually produce a real world government falls under the heading of “best-case scenario.”
This might sound strange, even for this thread, but I’m going to put two conspiracy theories side by side. The bible conspiracy theory and the development of weapons technologies. Both are conspiracies theories. One is real; one is possible. The real conspiracy theory is the development of weapons technologies (Manhattan Project). The possible conspiracy theory is the bible conspiracy theory.
It is possible that there is a conspiracy involving the development of weapons technologies (Manhattan Project). One example is HAARP. Another example is MK-Ultra.
Some people believe Jesus was born of a virgin and rose from the dead. Some people believe Jesus had a wife and had children. It is possible that Jesus had a wife and it is possible that Jesus had children. It is possible that Jesus was born of a virgin and it is possible that Jesus rose from the dead. (Again, I am not going to go into whether it is possible that Jesus rose from the dead in the same sense that it is possible that Jesus had children.)
That Jesus had a wife and had children is possible and there could be a conspiracy around this possibility. That the government is involved in the development of weapons technologies is possible and there could be a conspiracy around this possibility.
Because it is a conspiracy. Glib answer. A full and considered answer forthcoming.
Notice also that Washington called the principles of Jacobism pernicious while he called the doctrines of the Illuminati diabolical. He’s not equating them. He put in parenthesis - “if they are susceptible of separation”.
I understand the logic of saying a conspiracy that resembles a historical event seems plausible, but I don’t think this answered the question I asked. What is your methodology here in evaluating the conspiracy theory of one claim or another? You’re just asserting a bunch of stuff is possible. And you’re not addressing the Illuminati issue: it seems like you’ve said that conspiracy theory is plausible just because they existed as opposed to accepting the obvious, which is that they’re included in the conspiracy theory only because they existed. It’d be hard to find a conspiracy theory that includes no facts at all; if it had no factual basis it’d just be a story and would not appeal to CTers. Deeming the NWO plausible on that basis alone is ridiculous, and it’s comparable to the examples I mentioned earlier. Is that what you’re doing?
Yeah, it wasn’t a weather balloon…but the event was real enough, even if there were no actual aliens involved. Saying that the NWO is ‘possible’ because the Illuminati were a real, historical group is the equivalent of saying that Abraham Lincoln being a vampire hunter is ‘possible’ because, well, Lincoln was a real historical figure and he could have been a vampire hunter…if vampires were real and if they had really killed his mama.
Speaking of partial, do you plan to answer the questions I’ve been asking or explain your thought process in any way, or are you just going to keep doing this?
Actually, the were weather balloons, and inside of them were housed the Tuskegee Airmen, ready to rain down government approved syphilis on unsuspecting enemy population centers.