Why does everyone hate Bush?

Actually, I was unfair. I think there was an automatic recount in Florida before certification in November 2000. It was the hand recount that was controversial. :smack: Oh, well, you asked why I hated him, not for historical fact.

And now back to our rant:

Oh, I forgot.* He lowered taxes during wartime.* He raised the national debt to levels far beyond even Reagan. And didn’t veto any pork, ever. He presided over an era of total shamelessness in his party.

My story is a little different from robby’s. I was brought up in the Religious Right, indoctrinated to vote Republican. I accepted the legitimacy of Bill Cinton’s impeachment. I loudly opposed same-sex marriage. I wanted Elián González to stay in the USA. I despised Bill Clinton & Janet Reno. I had issues with the party, sure. But I had issues with Democrats, too. I finally had enough of putting up with the purblind anti-environmentalists in the GOP in 2000–when they nominated W Bush, because I couldn’t take the party as a whole seriously anymore. Then I decided I was a Democrat. Which, given my family background, was hard for me. Harder for me than it should have been, but still.

Bush made me ill, but at the time, we didn’t know much about him. His whole campaign just seemed like running for Crown Prince to me, & I was horrified that the GOP, which I thought of, despite its numerous flaws, as my party, had so little taste, so little depth, so little seriousness. But I couldn’t tell you what he’d do wrong; I had no idea. I figured he probably would be pretty ordinary. All the really horrible stuff came later, & I didn’t expect it.

In point of fact, for what little I knew of the man, the flaws that stuck out at me–being a legacy candidate, being of questionable honesty & intelligence–were shared by Gore. It was Gore whom I feared would be a diplomatic disaster. Bush has proven determined to be one. (Was it only later that I learned that W had neither any international experience nor expertise of his own?) By the time of the election, I had no faith in either of them. I voted for the biggest third party candidate on the ballot, Nader (Green Party), as protest against a two-party system that gave me these two choices. And I have come to regret that so much. Who knew he would be like this?

I sympathized with the Iraq campaign. I hated Saddam & wanted him gone. I didn’t believe in letting a brutal dictator stay in the name of stability. I didn’t understand how bad destabilization would get & how fast. In my defense, I was a twenty-something with no formal education in political science. The President of the United States needs to know better.

But even I, who thought it a mistake not to continue on to Baghdad in the 1991 Gulf War (now I understand why that was a bad idea), even I thought it was questionable & counter-intuitive timing to spend our resources to attack Saddam post-9/11, when we knew that N. Korea had more dangerous weapons, & bin Laden & Zawahiri were still at large.

This guy makes us look back at the recent presidents we’ve complained most about, & think how much better they were; or, more properly, how bad they weren’t. If he were trying to embody all the faults of LBJ, of Nixon, of Carter, & of Reagan, he’d probably embody them to a less extreme degree. And then he lowers the bar more. (That sounds so hyperbolic, I’m ashamed to type it. But look…)

LBJ lied to get us more entangled in Vietnam. Ethnic groups, entire peoples, now live in exile for the crime of fighting with us against the majority culture we lost to.
Bush has made the same mistake. How many exiles have already fled Iraq, how many more must? And how many of those whom we gave false hope have already died, & how many more will die?

Nixon was brought down by the illegal activities of his staff. He fired multiple attorneys general who tried to investigate. Meanwhile, he propped up murderers like Pinochet, & continued LBJ’s doomed war, all to maintain his “honor” in the Great Game against the USSR.
Well, OK, the first sentence hasn’t happened. But the Bush administration is full of Nixonites, who while they may have learned from Dick’s mistakes, still follow a doctrine of maximal Presidential authority. W’s 2004 campaign relied on the same false logic Nixon used in 1972: “I should be President because I already am; it’s your patriotic duty to vote for me.” :eek: Meanwhile, while at first blush he’s not continuing someone else’s war, in fact he is: his father’s. Remember that his father called on “the Shi’ites” to topple Saddam, & that Saddam is said to have attempted to assassinate his father.

Carter, on the other hand, commendably tried to base American foreign policy on principles of “human rights”, not naked self-interest. This was, of course, inconsistently applied, & generally mocked.
*But if you think that’s a poor basis for foreign policy, as many on the right still do, how about that amorphous “War on Terror,” as if Terror were a defined group you could wage literal war on? :rolleyes: *

Reagan is given way too much credit for events behind the Iron Curtain over which he had no plausible control, & way too little grief for the massive deficits his defense spending helped create. Also, his administration may have been more corrupt than Nixon’s, although Ronnie had the sense to cut loose the real screwups before they brought him down.
Bush has, amazingly, outdone Reagan’s deficits, following a period where budgets were actually balancing. Admittedly, the dotcom bubble burst, but still, the fool pushed big tax cuts in that environment, & offered no oversight on his new programs which lost huge amounts of money to, well, embezzlement, bad management, & fraud, which are the sort of errors made by a weak head of government with no real confidence in his own power. And he doesn’t even have Ronnie’s teflon ability to keep the stink off himself; he, Nixon-like, will be blamed for every mistake his men make.

He’s a schmuck. The GOP should have refused to renominate him in 2004. He should, in my opinion, been impeached in the summer of 2004, over Gitmo.

And that’s leaving aside the garden-variety stuff like seeking, in a time of budget deficits, tax cuts for the very rich; & a lack of long-term environmental planning. I learned, disgustedly, to expect Republicans to do those things. I also, however, used to expect them to know something about foreign policy, & at least to try to balance budgets through spending cuts, & to believe in things like realism, erudition, international engagement, & intellectual seriousness.

But nooo! Not this one! He thinks that talking to Iran & Syria is something they have to earn!

He’s, he’s, he’s such a buffoon. It’s trippy, like Commodus; or like the arrogance & international naiveté of Adolf Hitler, just without the rage, anti-Semitism, Lebensraum issues, or military competence. (That was an insult!)

But we’re wasting our time. Why do you love Bush? Maybe for his affection for Barney? Maybe because he talks simple Texas, even though he’s from Connecticutt? You should just turn the table around. Maybe because he spends more hours on vacation than any other president, “clearing brush”? Why does a president spend time “clearing brush”? (If that is actually what he does?) I can hire a guy from El Centro who will gladly do it for a price which is a very small fraction of what the president does it for.

I don’t hate Bush. I just think he’s one of the most badly misplaced employees in the country’s history. Well, maybe Rice has outdone him. But he was the one who put her in place.

Much of it (maybe even most of it) really is childish. Few people (here, anyway) bash Bush over things that really matter, like his usurpation of our liberty. I suspect that a lot of the hatred of Bush is a payback of sorts for the hatred of Clinton years ago. “Bastards hated our man, by god we’ll show 'em what hatred really is!”

I think the issue’s extremely complex but to sum up my views;

I don’t know why Bush was elected, being British and having no idea of the atmosphere around the elections. I can’t stand him for a few reasons;

  1. He comes across as incredibly stupid and unable to react normally in any situation. Either this is the real him, which makes him a moronic psychopath, or he’s putting on an act, which makes him a manipulative liar.

  2. I can easily understand the way you can ignore something in another country and not help but the reaction after Katrina was unforgiveable. This was American people suffering, many of whom are still suffering and still homeless years on. His reaction, both personally and politically was painfully slow and inadequate. Ideally you should care about everyone but at least care about your own!!!

  3. Iraq & Afghanistan - money poured away to protect the world from some unproven and fairly unlikely threat. Threat hyped up purely for political gain. Lives wasted because of inadequate resources, simply from greed and unwillingness to plan. Bush seems to see people as dispensable as long as he gets what he wants. Lies heaped upon more lies to cover his tracks and the goalposts constantly changed (ie withdrawal from Iraq). Money wasted on killing innocent people for little gain when it could have been spent in far better ways (Katrina?). Bush caused the Iraq situation just to avoid having a peaceful time in office, so he would be kept on and remembered, like all Presidents who have dealt with war have been.

  4. 9/11 - I believe this was a conspiracy by Bush and the government and on top of all the evidence for this I will always remember Bush’s face as he was told the news - no emotion, just a brief flash of acceptance, like he’d been expecting it.

I am unconvinced he could do a good job reading “My Pet Goat”. He is a cowboy born in Connecticut and a militaristic war dodger. He is a spoiled rich kid. A Yale cowboy. I don’t hate him . He disgusts me . he is an opportunistic jerk who somehow wound up on top.
Cheney ,I hate.

I’m getting so sick of this canard. This is the old conservative blame-the-victim strategy: “Sure, I voted for the worst president in the history of the United States. But it’s not my fault for supporting him, because the Democrats didn’t give us better candidates.”

Clearly the Democrats did give us better candidates; you just weren’t sharp enough to discern that, while they might not have been great and powerful heroes, they were still a damn sight better than George W. Bush, who has spit on our constitution, pushed the agenda of religious radicals, offended the majority of foreign governments, bloated our government incredibly, racked up a staggering deficit, and rendered the United States something between an international laughingstock and an international pariah. If you honestly think that Al Gore or John Kerry would have acted anywhere nearly as abysmally as George W. Bush did, then you at least owe us an explanation as to why you thought so. Saying, “I voted for the worst of the two candidates because I didn’t think the better of the two was better enough” is a piss-poor attempt at skirting accountability for the awful president that you share responsibility for leading to power.

I suppose I could say that the Republicans ought to present us with a candidate worth voting for, but that would be a lazy way to avoid discussing why I vote for the candidates I vote for. After all, sometimes I’m happier with my choices than other times, but the fact is, I’m at least willing to take responsibility for my decisions. I might ask the same of American conservatives these days, who are far too eager to cry “I’m a victim!”

I don’t hate Bush the person; if he were playing the part of President of the United States in a wingnut version of The West Wing, I wouldn’t care about him any more than I care about the actor who plays Jack Bauer of the torture-porn show 24.

But I hate the ways he’s fucking up this country, and a good chunk of the world. 9/11 happened on his watch. North Korea got nukes on his watch, and with his help. New Orleans was hit by a major hurricane on his watch, and the preparation, the immediate response, and the long-term reconstruction were all totally fucked up on his watch. Private-sector employment has increased by a meager 3.5 million during the 6 years of his presidency. (The comparable figure for Clinton is 20.8 million in 8 years.) Median household income is down under Bush, and the percentage of households in poverty is up. The stock market is booming and the productivity of the American worker has increased by leaps and bounds during the Bush years, but the American worker isn’t sharing in the resulting prosperity. There were 6.8 million more Americans without health insurance in 2005 than in 2000. (By comparison, there were 1.2 million more Americans without health insurance in 2000 than in 1992.) The percentage of the unemployed who have been out of work for >6 months has been higher for a longer period of time than anytime in the postwar era. (Here, Fig. 4 on p.11.)

And of course there’s Iraq. A war initiated on a pretext, with no plan for what we’d do when we ‘won’ the military battle. A quick win in battle, followed by 46 months of descent through the circles of hell. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, two million Iraqis have fled the country, and little peace or safety anywhere south of Iraqi Kurdistan. 3100 American troops dead, tens of thousands wounded (and we didn’t plan for them either, as the WaPo’s reporting about Walter Reed frighteningly shows), and it’s impossible to tell whether Bush will attack Iran on his own say-so.

What’s not to hate?

To rephrase RTFirefly’s point more succinctly, borrowing a usage some of us have run into before:

I don’t hate George Bush.

Just his sins.