I don’t want to get into a flame war, but
a) coding for different browsers is a pain in the ass for all but the simplest pages.
b) writing in xhtml will not solve matt_mcl’s issues. at all. It’s still an excellent suggestion that he work on writing clean code, but it will not solve the issue at hand.
c) <marquee> is not an “idiot tag”. It’s not a good idea to use it, since NS doesn’t support it, but it’s clearly a valuable feature, not “idiotic”.
d) A couple of folks have mentioned style sheets. Style Sheets are rad, unfortunately, the NS problem is magnified with them. In general, it’s such a bummer to write a nice page using standard stuff and watch NS corrupt it.
BTW, hansel, you’ve indicated twice now that xhtml would solve the problem. As you can see above, I’ve actually taken the time to modify the pages, and my conclusion is you’re mistaken. If you really believe you’re correct, I encourage you to redo his page yourself. It’s a simple enough page, and if you’re correct, I’d love to learn something.
I’ve looked through the code, and there are a few issues:
[ol]
[li]Mozilla repeats table background images in each cell, while IE doesn’t. The solution is to nest the table with three cells inside another table of the same size. Put the background image on the outer table.[/li][li]Mozilla just doesn’t support the <marguee> tag; there are javascripts that will do the same thing. As far as I’m concerned, it is an idiot tag, both aesthetically, and because it’s not part of the HTML standard. Therefore, you take your chances with it.[/li][li]Mozilla doesn’t respect attributes like topmargin or leftmargin in the body tag; once again, they’re not part of the standard. This causes the background image of the table to fail to match up with the background image of the page. The solution I found was to put style=“margin: 0;” in the body tag.[/li][li]Matt specified a height for the top right cell, but not the cell below it, which allowed Mozilla to use its automatic portioning algorithms. This was solved by adding a height attribute to the lower right cell.[/li][/ol]
I corrected these problems, and got the same layout without the scrolling marguee (the text was simply displayed).
Making the pages xhtml compliant wouldn’t have solved these problems, at least not without the addition of style tags to replace the no-longer-standard attributes, but it would’ve gone a long way towards making them non-issues between different browsers. With the changes I made, IE and Mozilla display them identically.
Thanks, whitetho, but the webpage I have listed at the sdmb is the personal one that my SO put up and maintains. My webpage is located here: Lola’s Cupid Website. And yes, there were TONS of errors. I actually did the website so I could learn HTML. Apparently I didn’t learn very well.
[sup]Note: not a money making website, just a fan site[/sup]
Not bad; the only real problems I saw were unenclosed <center>, <font>, and link tags.
Since I got the time, I ran it through Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 and cleaned it up for you. Here’s the result:
<html>
<head>
<meta HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta NAME="keywords" CONTENT="Cupid Television TV Jeremy Piven Paula Marshall Jeffrey D. Sams Episode Guide Links Pretenders Human">
<meta NAME="description" CONTENT="A site devoted to the TV show Cupid and it's stars">
<meta NAME="author" CONTENT="LolaG">
<meta NAME="generator" CONTENT="FreeFormEditor 1.0">
<title>Lola's Cupid Website</title>
</head>
<body background="bord12.gif" bg color=#00000 link=#ff3030 vlink=cd2626 alink=red text="linen">
<center><script language="JavaScript">
<!--
// Cache-busting LUBID bug.
var ran = Math.round(Math.random() * 899999) + 100000;
var lubid_string = "<img src=\"http://lubid.lycos.com/one.asp?site=members.tripod.lycos.com&ord=" + ran + "\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\">";
document.write(lubid_string);
//-->
</script>
<center><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center">
<tr>
<td><a HREF="http://www.tripod.lycos.com"><img SRC="/adm/img/popup/tripodsm.gif" ALT="hosted by tripod" WIDTH="116" HEIGHT="26" BORDER="0" VSPACE="2"></a></td>
</tr><tr>
<td align="center" valign="top" width="468"><iframe SRC="http://ln.doubleclick.net/adi/tr.ln/member;h=misc;sz=468x60;ord=72880242715245?" width=468 height=60 frameborder=0 border=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 vspace=0 scrolling=no></iframe></td>
</tr>
</table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="3" align="center" width="468">
<tr>
<td><font size="1" face="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans serif"><a href="/bin/email_this_page/display_form">E-mail this page to a friend</a></font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="1" face="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans serif"><a href="/bin/email_when_updated/display_form">Tell me when this page is updated</a></font></td>
</tr>
</table></center>
</center>
<center>
<p>
<img SRC="h5.gif" width=79 height=75 border=0 alt=heart image>
<img src="head2.jpg" width=333 height=206 border=0 alt=Lola's Cupid Webpage>
<img SRC="h5.gif" width=79 height=75 border=0 alt=heart image><br>
<p><p><p>
<img SRC="marshpiv.jpg" width=190 height=230 border=1 alt=cupid image></center>
<p>
<p>
<p>
<p>
<b> This is my page dedicated to the TV show Cupid - One of the best series that
ran on television. It has a lot of fans, despite only running for 14 episodes.
</b>
<p><p><hr><p><p>
<div align="center"><img src="i-rredcupid.gif" width=71 height=90 border=0 alt=cupid>
<font color="#ff3030">Notes from Lola</font> <img src="i-lredcupid.gif" width=71 height=90 border=0 alt=cupid>
</div>
<p><p>
<p><p>
NEW - E!Online did a list of the top ten unjustly cancelled tv shows, and Cupid made #4.
Take a look <a href="<a href="http://www.eonline.com/Features/Topten/Canceledshows/04.htmltarget=_blank>here</a>.
Or take a look at the entire <a href="http://www.eonline.com/Features/Topten/Canceledshows/" target=blank>top ten</a>.
<p>I still update the site from time to time. There are more quotes to be added, the episode guide
will be overhauled and made as complete as possible. All of these things will take time,
so please check back if what you're looking for isn't here. I'll take requests on what
kind of information you would like to know. Please use the guestbook or the e-mail link
at the bottom of the page.
<p>Due to numerous e-mail requests, I am now including a link to the
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/7734/CUPID.HTML" target=_blank>
Cupid Tape Trading Page</a>.
<p><p>Two calls for help from you fans out there.
<p>*I don't have any images for many of
the episodes for the episode pages I am working on. If you have any images
from the show, especially from certain episodes, please let me know. Most
of my pages for the episode guide are almost ready to go up, but are without
photo's.
<p>*I am currently experiencing difficulties with the message board. If anyone
knows a good, easy to install message board that I can use, please let me know.
If you have any experience installing one, please let me know too. Thanks.
<p>
<p> I have a page of "Cupid Quotes" and I would like anyone who has some favorites
to submit them. Please e-mail me with yours. The page can be viewed here:
<p align="center"><a href="quotes.html">Cupid Quotes</a>
<p><p><hr>
<p align="center">
<p align="center">
<p align="center"> The show starred Jeremy Piven as Cupid (aka Trevor Hale), Paula
Marshall as Dr. Claire Allen and Jeffrey D. Sams as Champ Terrace.
<p>
<dl>
<center>
<img SRC="cupid1.jpg" width=97 height=118 border=0 alt=cupid image>
</center>
<p>
<p>
<p>
<dt><a href="premise.html">In the beginning...</a>
<dd>Made it to this page without seeing the show? This is what it's about.
<dt><a HREF="piven.html">Jeremy Piven biography and filmography</a>
<dd> Jeremy Piven plays Trevor Hale, a man who claims to be Cupid, the Roman
god of love. He says that he was sent by the other gods to match 100 couples
before he can return to Mount Olympus. His basis for a good relationship?
Heat and passion.
<dt><a HREF="marshall.html">Paula Marshall biography and filmography</a>
<dd> Paula Marshall plays Dr. Claire Allen, Trevor's psychiatrist. She runs
the singles therapy group that Trevor attends as part of his counseling. She
believes that Trevor is delusional. Her basis for a good relationship? A matching
list of priorities and common history.
<dt><a HREF="sams.html"> Jeffrey D. Sams biography and filmography</a>
<dd> Jeffrey D. Sams plays Champ Terrace, Trevor's co-worker and roomate.
<dt><a HREF="human.html">Music from the show</a>
<dd>The theme song is "Human" by the Pretenders. It is available on the latest
Pretenders album. Available here are the lyrics to the theme song and a sound
clip. Also the songs featured in various episodes are listed.
<dt><a HREF="episode.html">Episode Guide</a>
<dd>The episode guide is transforming slowly. Each episode will have it's own
page containing every bit of info I can get. Work on it is starting to take
place. <b>NEW (July 2001): Added the episode guide page for Meat Market.</b>
<dt><a href="links.html">Links</a>
<dd>Links devoted to Cupid, and to the stars of the show.
<dt><a href="myth.html">The Man Behind the Myth</a>
<dd>The mythology of Cupid and his family can be found here, if you are interested.
Also, the story of <a href="myth2.html">Cupid and Psyche</a> can be found
here.
<h2>Articles</h2>
<dt><a href="medianyp.html">New York Post Article</a>
<dd>"Roses and a Message for ABC: Don't Play Stupid With Cupid"
<dt><a href="mediastar.html">Star Tribune Article</a>
<dd>"Television:Flight of Cupid Grounded by ABC"
<dt><a href="mediadet.html">Detroit Free Press Article</a>
<dd>"Some Loyal Viewers Take Cupid's Demise to Heart"
<p>
<p>
<p>
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<div align='left'><a href='http://www.tripod.com/service/conferencing/show/personal/10978964' target='self'>
<img border='0' src='/imagelib/styles/plain/message_board.gif'></a><br>
<a href='http://www.tripod.com/service/conferencing/show/personal/10978964' target='self'>
<font face='times' size='3'>LolaG's Cupid Message Board</font></a><br>
<font color='000000' face='times' size='2'> Welcome to LolaG's message board
</font></div>
<br>
<!-- END MESSAGE BOARD -->
<p>
<p>
<p>See "Lola's Notes".
</dl>
<p><p><p><center><img src="i-3rays.jpg" width=74 height=78 border=0 alt=3 hearts image></center>
<p><p><hr><p><p>
<center>
<a href=mailto:"kdl@powersurfr.com">
<img src="email01.gif" width=150 height=50 border=0 alt=e-mail image></a></center>
<center>
<b>Please feel free to e-mail me with comments or suggestions. If this link
does not work for you, please send comments and suggestions to <a href="mailto:kdl@powersurfr.com">kdl@powersurfr.com</a>
</b>
</center>
<p><p><hr><p><p>
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<center><p><p><img src="i-2blkcupid.jpg" width=59 height=59 border=0 alt=cupid>
<p><p>
<a href="http://titan.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbsign.dbm?owner=LolaG">Sign
My Guestbook</a>
<a href="http://GuestWorld.Tripod.Lycos.com/"><img
src="http://guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/GuestWorldbutton.gif" height="31" width="87"
border ="0" alt="Guestbook by GuestWorld"></a>
<a href="http://titan.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=LolaG">View
My Guestbook</a>
</center>
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<p><p><hr><p><p>
<center>The counter reset itself a little while ago. Just add approximately
12500 to whatever number is says here, and that's the guest number YOU are.</center>
<div align="center"><img src="/bin/counter/cupid.html?ff0000"><br>
</div>
<p><p>
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<a href="http://nedstat.tripod.com/bin/viewstat?name=LolaG-0"><img
src="http://nedstat.tripod.com/bin/nedstat.gif?name=LolaG-0"
border=0 alt="Nedstat Counter" width=22 height=22></a>
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- I posted in MPSIMS a while back, asking why Netscape had gotten so lousy from a user’s standpoint: a year ago, I distinctly remember that it ran faster than IE5 and it would display many pages almost completely where often IE5 would only give an error.
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- Now it’s the other way around: Netscape 4.7 usually takes longer to get a web page on my PC than IE5.5 does, and Netscape often hangs and doesn’t get anything at all. I kinda prefer the user features of Netscape 4.7, but if it doesn’t display the web pages there’s not much point. I almost always use IE5.5 now, and only try Netscape when IE can’t display a page.
- Even so, for me IE5.5 was a pain in the *** because if it ran into a Java error, it would automatically open the webpage in the Visual J++ debugger. I turned off all the Java debugging options but it didn’t matter. (Yea, I know, I had to have it, I had a course that used it. Anyway, it’s gone now).
- Netscape 6 is didn’t download properly for me the first time I tried, and it was too big to bother trying a second time. - MC
I guess why my dislike of Netscape reaches religious proportions is because I liked version 2 and 3 so much. For the time, those were beautiful programs. Stable as hell, feature rich, etc. 4 just blew it for me.
However, I can’t ignore it because roughly 20% of the traffic to my business’ site is still on Netcape…
HI matt, you might want to try this site, it’s pretty nice & run the test they have:
http://websitegarage.netscape.com/
There are also web sites that run your code & clean it for you but I don’t have any URLS.
I’d take that site with a rather large grain of salt–I plugged in Netscape’s own homepage, http://www.netscape.com, as the URL, and it gave itself a “poor” rating.