Why don't females like model trains?

Various reasons.

To some extent, working with machines is not as appealing to women as stated above, but that’s not the whole of it.

With the hobby being male dominated to such an extent any girl or women participating risks various social costs from ridicule (“girls don’t do that”, “what are you, some kind of lez/dyke/other implication sexual oddness”), to being dismissed as a girlfrend/wife/daughter/whatever and ignored, to being unconsciously shoved away from displays by larger males intent on getting a closer look.

I speak from experience on all of the above. Including as recently as a few years ago when I went to fly model airplanes at a location and some old fart yelled at me to get off the flight line and out of the way of the pilots. To the credit of the other men there, they told him that the policy of not disturbing/talking to people actually flying their planes applied to women pilots, too, and stop being an ass.

As a result, girls who otherwise might be involved are discouraged, leaving only those girls with unusually strong interest in the topic (or are married to an enthusiast). Meanwhile, boys with minimal interest might either be encouraged or dragged along by a father, bloating their ranks.

What the F is with painting crap pink these days?

NO, simply painting something pink does not make it magically attractive to girls. I think that’s why I loathe the color pink so much. It was bad enough when I was a kid, now it seems to be mandatory for girls and women. It smacks of “separate but equal” to me.

What would help is making girls feel welcome at such gatherings, which can be as simple as making sure there are bathroom facilities for girls as well as men (I have on multiple occasions had to either use the men’s or find someone to unlock/turn on the lights for the women’s room at gatherings where it never occurred to someone that yes, a woman might be in attendance). When some male decides to defend “masculine turf” he needs to be told that it isn’t a boys’ club (such as at the RC flight line I described).

On the flip side, I’m also a long-term knitter/crocheter/crafter. It’s the same thing in reverse. Men need a place to pee, too, either their own toilet or assurance that they won’t get in trouble for using the women’s if needed. When some woman or cabal of them start getting bitchy and defending female turf they need to be reminded that, until recently, there was a strong tradition of men knitting and told to STFU.

In the end, though, you have to accept that certain activities are likely to be dominated by one or another gender even with a relatively level playing field. That’s fine, as long those interested are able to participate without harassment.

.All excellent points especially about all the “little” things and the subtle social pressures people have. I never thought about the bathroom thing but then your right. At places like this their tends to be only one unisex bathroom which often gets nasty. I’ll have to admit I might have been part of the problem by say asking a female about her reasons for being there and such (please dont kill me, I’m learning).
Yeah, I guess every activity will have its “gender police” who push against outsiders. I learned that when I was a Dad taking my kid to the kiddie park or other toddler activities and being the only male. The worse though was when I went with a buddy to watch him play hockey and I had to sit in the stands with all the players wives.

Pro tip: Women generally prefer to be referred to as women, not females (a word more commonly used to describe the gender of animals rather than people).

I know that but I was referring to both girls and older women. What term should I use?

Your last sentence challenges the premise that these gender differences are inherent qualities. I think a lot of it is social rather than biological. Kids start identifying with their gender as early as two. Boys do what other boys do. Girls do what other girls do. Being social creatures, we are very sensitive to what other people are into.

I wonder if by assuming girls who are into “stereotypical guy interests” are tomboys, we’re actually entrenching stereotypes.

Probably just women in the title. You refer to girls in the body of your post, so it’s clear enough that you mean both. :slight_smile:

Just the other day, someone told my one year old that the toy cars she was playing with are “for boys.” Why would you say that? What does that even mean to a one year old?

That same day, I had to outright argue with my husband that I was NOT buying the pink version of the classic popcorn popper walking toy, as I had no intention of re-buying all our toys if the next one is a boy. I’m convinced it’s a full on conspiracy.

The gendering of toys is strong, and I can already see how my daughter gets praise for doing “girly” things like imitating my putting on makeup, and gets admonished for doing “boy things” or being attracted to things that are “for boys.” Unless I made an active effort, nobody would introduce her model trains, much less encourage her interest. If she showed an interest, I could see her being diverted away.

It may not all be cultivated, but I suspect a good chunk of it is. My family isn’t even particularly gender-roley, but I can still see them perpetuating this stuff on a kid who doesn’t even have a concept of gender yet.

FWIW, I liked model trains and had a set as a kid that I played with quite often. I liked making complex tracks with lots of switches and bridges and the like. I also like real trains, and am fascinated with ultra-long haul train travel. I’ve done a few multi-thousand mile trips. I don’t know if it’s related, but I’m also pretty good at tinkering and repairing mechanical things. I really don’t think of this as a gendered thing.

I think the stereotype is that women are EITHER girl-girls with girly-girl interests OR tomboys with boy interests. As a woman who straddled the line her whole life it seemed a constant battle with society trying to shoe-horn me into one pigeon-hole or another.

I’m not a girly-girl and I am a tomboy, but a tomboy with who also has some very stereotypical girly-girl interests. Likewise, while out and about with my “boy’s interests” activities I’ve occasionally bumped into girly-girls who nonetheless had one or another tomboy interest.

I really like the way my niece has turned out: a shelf full of martial arts trophies and currently making a living as a carpenter, but absolutely in love with wearing dresses and feminine accessories even when in pants. She plays drums without worrying if they are a girl’s instrument or not. She also likes her dolls and sappy romance novels. She is very comfortable being who she is and her interests and preferences without worrying if they’re feminine enough.

I just noticed this question. In all seriousness, no, it would not make any difference, one way or another. However, it would be rather difficult to keep the pink paint work on a steam engine in a pristine condition, after a brisk chug around the track, no? Of course, a maglev train in psychedelic colours would be quite something else :D. In fact, I might like it all the more for the sake of the bold colour scheme ;).

I’ll say the same thing I said in another thread like this: Like Broomstick says, we are not particularly welcome. I have been to a few train shows, and it is not particularly welcoming to women. There is always this category of man that insists you prove all your knowledge and if you can’t answer your questions, dismisses you as a girl. It’s exactly the “girl gamer” thing. I mean, just look at this thread! Women don’t like machines? *Some * women don’t like machines.

Me, I like cars, and it took a show like Top Gear to realize what a car geek I was. I was told all my life that liking cars was a guy thing, and that girls didn’t like cars. Maybe like even sven says, from day one we’re telling them what’s boys toys and girls toys.

I actually just bought two Goldie Blox engineering kits for my niece and my cousin for their birthdays, in a (probably futile) effort to combat the Princessification both of them went through. I think they are smart kids, especially my cousin. But there is no question people girlify them.

I like Broomstick’s last post. I want to paint my nails pretty colors, and I want to shoot and check out fast cars and work in IT. I am a girly-girl and I have some tomboy interests, and it shouldn’t be a problem.

So strong, in fact, that you think the color of a toddler’s toy renders it unfit for a child of a certain gender.

:wink:

Because in their childhood, the sexist Santa Claus did not bring them toy trains.

That is my wife’s attitude to a T. Her conception of all things electrical and mechanical is that they ought to be as easy to use, maintenance free and reliable as a toaster or microwave. There’s absolutely no joy in it for her to learn how to set her PC up optimally, or in why her PC’s wireless sucks (poor drivers), or how to operate her car’s MFD. All she cares about is that it comes on when she turns the key, that the stereo works, and that it doesn’t break down. I can’t see her being the least bit interested in model vehicles, and the only technical fiddling she’ll do is in the process of creating something; the fiddling is a necessary evil to her, not an end in itself like it is for me.

Probably 2/3 of model railroading is in the research and the fiddling, not in the actual running of the trains themselves, and for that reason, a lot of women aren’t really interested I’d bet.

^This.

I enjoy working with things on a macro scale, not miniature. I would rather build a real train than work with “toy” trains. I like to work on my cars, but have no interest in building models. I’d much rather frame a house than to carve wood. I suppose I can understand the facination with miniatures, but it doesn’t appeal to me.

Part of it is the same reason why there are far more women who paint Warhammer figurines than women who play Warhammer, and why many of the female painters do their purchasing online or via males (some get “paid” by their husbands/brothers in terms of “I paint your fifty new Marines to match the previous ones, and you get me this elf, this dwarfs set aaaand that bunch of priestesses”). Being stared at as if you just stepped out of an extradimensional portal (rather than through the perfectly mundane door separating the store from the street) by a vendor who says “uuuh… soooo… are you looking for, uh, a present for your boyfriend maybe?” is the kind of thing that gets old the first time it happens.

Eh. Mom told us as a child she liked making mud pies. During the depression, dirt, water, and sticks were inexpensive toys for a preschooler and gradeschooler. And she was never a tomboy.

And I don’t think the attraction of model trains is watching them go around and around in a circle. That circle train track is just a starter set. Of course, many never have the room, take the time, or invest the money into getting all the additional track, switches, etc. to build a good layout.

You guys…it’s all one big metaphor for a penis.

Good luck with that. My friends are in the child-rearing years and they tend to be quite liberal. They are the cars for girls and dolls for boys crowd that actively sought to avoid gender stereotyping. The damnable thing is that every one of their kids sought out the stereotype for themselves. It has been obvious from as soon as they could pick up a toy which ones they went for. This is before they are allowed to watch any TV or are even spending time with other children, and it only gets worse from there.

While the boys flock to spaceships, cars, and anything you can pretend is a gun, the power of the princess over girls seems to be one of the strongest powers in the universe. Of course there are exceptions and a lot of behavior is learned, but it seems built-in biology is the driving factor.

Yep.

Are you envious?

One should use the word ‘Chicks’, which can apply to both adult and child age females. If just adults then ‘Broads’ would be the term. :smiley:

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Not speaking for all women here, obviously, but to be interesting to me, a thing has to be complex, as in literature, art, living creatures, relationships of living creatures to each other. Not machines. Machines are lifeless objects that do jobs.
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OK first off, to me, there is a sexist tone in this entire post. [anti-male]

Machines are usually complex. Train systems/transportation systems are very complex. In case you didn’t notice it, there are usually tiny people in those big train sets. Each with their own story within the train diorama. If you actually talked to someone who build one of those they would tell you the life story of all those people.