Nightime-As gruesome and heartbreaking as that would be, I have to admit that I’d still like to watch it go down.
But thats what “Elseworlds” are for, I guess.
Nightime-As gruesome and heartbreaking as that would be, I have to admit that I’d still like to watch it go down.
But thats what “Elseworlds” are for, I guess.
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Because most of 'em don’t know that they’re gizmos.
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They’ve established that it exhausts and hurts him when he “runs out of energy”,
Fenris
Actually, there’s a long tradition of this. I can point to several issues pre-Crisis where Superman would happily destroy Braniac (a sentient robot) and wouldn’t have balked against destroying a Bizarro but balked at destroying a (probably non) sentient monster because it had a heartbeat . For whatever reason, his “code against killing” only applied to creatures with beating hearts. (Superman #312-ish, circa 1977).
Hey, at least it’s consistant and objective.
Fenris
Aren’t Bizarros just clones? (albeit imperfect ones). Why aren’t they considered alive?
I would love to count up all od the deaths caused by Batman and Superman’s villains and show it to them. These are deaths you could have prevented, but didn’t. You know people like Luthor or Joker are bad, and will continue to be. Do something about it!
Spider-Man tried it. It did not work out well.
Early Batman did carry a gun. It was dropped quite quickly, since, from a plot point of view, it made everything too easy.
As for why Batman and Superman don’t kill, it’s because they’re heroes, not thugs. It’s a lazy and supid man’s out to solve your problems by killing people.
This was addressed by Abner when they asked him “Why doesn’t Captain Justice get an Uzi?” And if you know what I’m talking about, send me an e-mail; I’d love to meet up with someone else who got that reference.
Have you read Batman and Superman: Generations? (Or I think that’s what it’s called, anyway.)
Hey, maybe we can combine this thread with the “Why didn’t Gwaihir fly the ring” thread! Why doesn’t Superman just travel (back in time/across the dimensions) to Middle Earth and take the ring from Frodo and toss it in the Fire? We know he’s a Good Guy and would never take the ring for himself, the Wraiths couldn’t touch him–he’s superfast!–and…nah, that would spoil the whole story.
Post Crisis Bizarros are clones.
Pre Crisis Bizarros are created by use of a duplicate ray. Since they cannot reproduce, do not breathe, and do not require food, it’s a GD thread whether or not they’re truly alive(though I vote yes).
RealityChuck-I get it. I’d be shocked if Fenris doesn’t as well.
IIRC
“Milk. You really are a boy scout.”
They can. Bizarro #1 and Lois #1 had a Bizarro baby, and there was a Supergirl comic where she found a baby that turned into a Bizarro and discovered Bizarro babies look like normal humans for the first few months.
Doc – did you actually see the show? Or just a comic?
Early Batman even had a machinegun mounted on his autogyro. Used it to dispatch the giants that Hugo Strange created from mental patients. He also lassoed one around the neck from the autogyro and hanged him.
In another early adventure, he used a gun loaded with home-cast silver bullets to dispatch The Monk and Dala who were vampires. That story was notable for introducing the batarang.
Well, shut my mouf! I wish my collection was in proper order. I’ve got the first appearance of L#1, and I’m sure it states that Bizarros do not require air.
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Both.
I loved the scenes on the other side of the Great Void(or whatever it was called). The Crimson Cobra(or whatever the villian he was fighting was called) looked and acted more like a bad Vegas lounge act than a nefarious super criminal.
So police officers who kill criminals who are shooting at them or at innocent people are now lazy and stupid?
Just to add to the “superheroes as entertainers” thing - at one point, Ben Grimm was pissed at the rest of the FF, and left them to work as a professional wrestler (no, seriously). Thundra, a fairly minor character who shows up in FF and Avengers from time to time, was already working for the same circuit.
I can understand Superman not killing the average murderous thug since he is perfectly capable of stopping them with no danger to himself or others, but when he’s fighting someone with super powers he really can’t afford to hold back as much as he does. I do like how they de-powered him a lot in the newer cartoons since it means he can use his abilities fully and still possibly get his butt handed to him. This is one of the reasons I liked Spider-man, half the time he fights villans stronger than him and has to use his powers creatively.
Well I haven’t kept up with comics for a decade, but the following questions always bugged me when I did read them:
Why doesn’t the UN declare Dr. Doom’s dictatorship in Latveria a hostile nation and send in the troops to just stomp all over his ass? (Not even France could object to getting rid of Doom!)
If the X-Men really want to promote tolerance between human & mutant kinds, why do they keep their identities hidden? Why don’t they announce to the world that Xaviers’ school is a facility to train mutants to use their abilities for the good of all people?
How can the Avengers operate a high-tech launchpad for their quinjets out of a mansion on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue? At the very least, it would be in violation of noise pollution zoning ordinances, which is nothing compared to the nightmare it would cause for local air traffic to/from all three nearby airports.
Reed Richards invented non-stable molecules that can resist the Human Torch’s flames (so that his uniform doesn’t burn up when he flames on). Why doesn’t he market it to the general public? Think of all the firemen whose lives he could have saved!
The FF (and many others) periodically visited the castle in upstate NY where they first encountered Dr. Doom, 'cuz it contained his time machine. It always bothered me that they left one of the most spectacular inventions ever created, and one with timeline-altering potential JUST SITTING THERE! Doom didn’t want it back? The FF or Avengers didn’t confiscate it to be studied, or at least put in a secure storage facility that not anyone could just wander into?
RE-Doom
For a long time, Doom was a Cold War villian. He oppressed his people, had secret police, lived in luxury while they starved etc. These days, the character is more developed. He cares deeply about Latveria and its people and is a benevolent dictator. Latverians have public education, healthcare, and a nice standard of living all thanks to Doom.
As far as war, one word-Doombots. Any army attacking Latveria would face a massive army of robots, ray guns, and other products of Doom’s science.
Re-X Men
They are trying to make the world safe for mutants. If they could just announce their secrets and have the public react well, their mission would be over. Considering the amount of prejudice, revealing their identities would very likely result in their families being lynched. Read God Loves, Man Kills.
Re-Avengers
Idunno.
Re-Unstable Molecules
They don’t make the wearer fire proof. UM fabric adapts to the wearer. The Human Torch’s UMF doesn’t burn. The Invisble Woman’s costume turns invisible when she does. Reed’s costume stretches. UMF may provide a normal person some protection from bullets and flame, but cost/benefit analysis may show poilce vests and firefighter uniforms do a better job for less money.
Re-Doom’s Time machine
Doom doesn’t need it. He built that one. He can and has built others. IIRC from the John Byrne story “Cowboys And Idioms”, Reed did NOT leave the time machine behind. It’s in one of his labs along with the Negative Zone portal and all the rest.
IIRC, the Avengers no longer launch quinjets from the mansion.
X-Men no longer wear masks and the school was outed by Prof X about a year ago.
Reed makes tons of money from his patents. I think the unstable molecules (band name…or drink name) patent is one. I’ve seen other characters using unstable molecules, but they didn’t state if they bought them or stole them. I’l ask next time I see them.
And I meant to mention that Reed does have the time machine…but I see I was beaten to it…and everything else
I have no idea, but A) they were made of “non-living, inorganic material” and B) They (apparently) didn’t have a heartbeat.
Like I said, it doesn’t make much sense to me either, but it’s consistant and objective.