I’m more than a little amused that one off-the-cuff remark I made would cause people to waste a page and a half of this thread arguing that blacks have not historically had more reason to fear false rape accusations and that some would try and deny that massive numbers of black Americans were murdered following false accusations of rape.
Anyway back to the initial topic. Yes, some men are occasionally arrested and falsely charged with rape as people from North Carolina can testify to, but it’s ridiculous just how many men on this site are paranoid about being falsely accused of rape.
The only thing anyone was questioning was its irrelevance in 2011 and your reasons for bringing it up.
I think it’s significantly more ridiculous that you can’t apparently tell the difference between “paranoid” and “cautious of a rare but not unheard-of danger”.
But I sure can’t find the passage you’re talking about. I don’t think it’s there.
Where is it?
A cite doesn’t involve saying an author’s name and the title of a work and demanding that your audience reads the entire book, searching vainly for the information (or inference) you claim it has.
So – maybe someone else will go down to the local library and read the book. For now, you have not documented your claim.
He’s right, Bricker, and anybody who’s paying attention knows you’re being dishonest about this.
The entire pamphlet is about the phenomenon he’s talking about. It would be literally impossible for anybody to look for such a “passage” and not find it.
In fairness to Bricker, we pretty much don’t let anyone get away with “read/watch this entire thing that I’m not going to summarize or quote from, it’s my cite”.
Ibn Warraq’s been around long enough to know that’s not how cites work.
Cite? I haven’t seen any definitive evidence that Diallo is/was a prostitute.
Obviously none of us can know what happened, but Diallo’s story is very convincing, IMO. Every detail of it sounds like other reports of rape/assault that I’ve heard from women over the years. And if people want to include everything she’s ever done in with condemning her, they need to do the same for DSK. This isn’t the first time he’s been accused of sexual assault.
Bricker made a moronic, demonstrably false statement and continues to make demonstrably false statements.
Anyone who claims they’ve read Wells’ pamphlets and doesn’t see such references is lying or astronomically stupid.
Since I’m required to assume he’s being truthful I’ll have to assume the latter is the case with him.
Beyond that demanding a “cite” for proof that countless numbers of blacks were murdered on false charges of rape is the equivalent of demanding a “cite” that the Holocaust occurred.
Actually, several posters have gone much farther and either denied it happened or insisted whites have historically been just as likely to be falsely accused.
For myself, I don’t think that particularly sordid chapter is all that relevant EXCEPT for the fact that it makes it more understandable for black men to be more nervous about false accusations of rape because, within living memory, American blacks used to routinely be murdered on such spurious charges.
I have been working with a lot of women, and providing entertainment for men for 15 years or so, and throughout that time I’ve heard countless stories of sexual assault. I’ve also witnessed firsthand the entitled attitudes of cocky men with fancy jobs and money. I know how they talk, and I know how they behave when they start to get aggressive. You don’t have to believe me, and I’m not trying to use anecdotal evidence as a cite, but when I say Diallo’s story rings true for me that opinion isn’t being pulled out of my ass.
(Not that OM4th’s opinions are)
I also believe women when they say they’ve been assaulted and/or raped. There just isn’t evidence of all these false rape allegations that people always bring up.
All I said is “most likely”. “Definitive evidence” is not the proper standard.
Based on the conflicting stories and evidence I’ve seen ISTM most likely that there was a consensual encounter, in which case, considering the people involved and the short time span, it was most likely a paid encounter. That plus the all-purpose grifty history of Ms. Diallo (welfare and tax fraud) plus the NY Post’s source adds up to “most likely” IMO. YMMV.
Do you believe her gang rape story as well? Her admitting to fabricating that rape would be evidence of its falsehood.
This is not people alluding to how women in general might lie about being raped.
This is not about how she could in theory lie about being raped.
This is a case where the woman by her own admission *did *lie to prosecutors about being raped. And by all accounts she did so very convincingly, tears and all.