If the witness says two contradictory things, then we need to toss them out of the “reliable evidence” pile.
It is clear the witness has said–or is quoted as saying–two different things.
Can you quote the exact two sentences that were contradictory?
How about this:
Anderson Cooper: “You say the shooter was on top?”
Witness: “I can’t really say.”
Is that explicit enough for you?
Only because that’s what the article you posted in this thread said. You gave us the material; now you want complain that we read it?
Maybe next time you decide to link us to an article to make some devastating point, you’ll proofread it before hand to make sure it doesn’t sabotage your position.
Except the article didn’t say it. You made it up.
We need a “heaven help us” smilie.
Nah, we need a “bless your heart” smiley.
So you are assuming that Zimmerman had already decided to kill Martin before he drew his gun? They is no ‘securing’ in Florida law. If he pulls his gun to ‘secure’ Martin and the police will arrest Zimmerman and Martin returns to Green’s house and eats his Skittles and watchs the NBA All Stars. You can’t claim that Zimmerman was ignorant of the law. It’s covered in the CCW class.
Whipping out his gun isn’t stupid, it is a serious crime and Martin was the only witness. If you want to say it was premeditated murder that is fine, but don’t assume Zimmerman was as ignorant of the law as you are.
Since Martin was a juvenile with no record, if he had punched Zimmerman, it would be probation. He could have seriously injured Zimmerman and still got probation.
So you are saying Martin was on top? Martin was 6’0’ and Zimmerman was 5’ 9’
When I read the word “larger”, I don’t think “taller”. I think in terms of width and/or mass.
No.
All of this assumes Zimmerman is a clear thinker when he’s overdosing on adrenaline. It’s not an matter of ignorance, but judgment. He exercised poor judgment when he pursued Martin, so there is nothing stopping him from exercising poor judgment with his gun.
Like i said before, so is shooting someone without just cause. And? So what? I’m sure Zimmerman isn’t ignorant of this fact either, but pardon me for not believing he’s incapable of murder or manslaughter just because of this knowledge.
I don’t think you realize how silly this line of argumentation is. It’s worse than when you were harping about Martins hoodie, and that was pretty damn bad.
But punching someone is a crime, and surely the penalty of this crime would deter Martin. Probation would mean being on his parents shit list. Ergo, henceforth, we should conclude he wouldn’t have punched him.
I don’t think he was wondering around. Based on what his girlfriend said he ran into the clubhouse to get out of the rain. I think he would be in a hurry to get back to Green’s house. because the NBA All Star game started at 7:00pm. IIRC, I think the clubhouse was the first place Zimmerman saw him. He may have been disoriented, but he seemed to be making a beeline for Green’s townhome after Zimmerman saw him.
I’m not a basketball fan. Would missing the All-Star game when 3 Heat players are on the East squad be a big deal?
I don’t think it’s safe to assume that the basketball game was that hugely important to Martin. People who really care about watching something usually don’t leave the house right at the last minute to grab some snacks.
I’m thinking getting out of the house, spending some phone time with his girl, taking a break from his little brother, were probably all more important to him than a basketball game.
Please tell me you are making a joke here.
I write three separate letters to you, each intended to cause you emotional distress and serving no legitimate purpose. I put them in one envelope and mail them to you.
Stalking?
One tiny factual thing that’s been bothering me in reading these threads–Zimmerman was not told not to follow Martin. The 911 operator simply said “we don’t need you to do that” when Zimmerman said he was following Martin. The 911 operator made a factual statement, not a command. It is not correct to paraphrase the exchange as “Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin.”
(And, of course, it wouldn’t amount to a whole lot if the 911 operator did in fact say “I hereby command you not to follow that man,” but that’s another matter.)
Of course I am. It’s Joel’s argument twisted around to show the absurdity in his reasoning.
By your reasoning Martin wouldn’t have done the things that got him suspended from school in first place. I don’t think pleasing his parents was at the top of his priority list.
I don’t think getting a slap on the wrist is a great a deterrent as getting a needle in the arm. 
He started from his truck which was by the cut through. 100-200 feet away from Martin’s body.
All he knew was that someone was following him. Where are you getting that, at that point, he was terrified for his life?
I’ve been followed by someone and my course of action was to take a different route and not head directly to my destination. I also do the same when out dog-walking at night and there’s someone I’m a little wary of, because I’m a woman out alone at night and it’s no hassle to change my route, whereas being attacked would be a big hassle. I don’t scream, call 911 and knock on people’s doors just because I’m wary of someone following me.
And a black teenage boy knocking on a stranger’s door for help in an unfamiliar rich area? Just because some dude might be following him? Yeah, right.
(Also, “irrationality of an Irishman”? I’m not going to make a big deal of it, but that’s a slur I’ve never even heard before).