I guess rich is relative. To me you don’t have to be in the 1% to be rich, and you’re talking about 1%ers. But anyway, yeah, not knocking on strangers’ doors is not weird.
How could I possibly have a cite for that? Are you seriously disputing that most people would follow the advice or orders of a dispatcher - at least when they’re compos mentis, as Zimmerman was?
I’m not saying it WAS an order, but that such phrasing is sometimes used as an order. Just an explanation for the ‘misunderstanding’ Bricker was annoyed by.
In any case, what I red was that he possibly pushed a police officer who was arresting his friend for underage drinking. That never sounded to me like it indicated a pattern of violent behaviour even if the charge hadn’t been expunged.
Smoking dope and possibly holding stolen goods for a friend don’t suggest a tendency to violence, either, and it doesn’t add up to Magiver’s really horrible description of the dead boy.
I like it. Slightly less plausible than Zimmerman tried to detain Martin, but as or more plausible than the “Somebody’s poisoned the waterhole!”, “Reach for the sky!” narratives.
%1? I’m talking about the 50%. Twin Trees looks a place some of the people from the factory floor where I used to work would live. Some of them lived in much nicer houses, but usually out in Deltona. If both people in a house hold worked, then you are usually talking 1500sqft on a decent lot. The professional people, like engineers, would be living quite a bit better than that.
Of course some of the people, like guys with child support, would living a much more limited lifestyle.
I was trying to find an analogy that you perceived as repeated acts, but could be shown to actually be one single act. Unfortunately, that analogy didn’t work, since you correctly sussed out that it was a single act.
Oh, right, the absolutely-no-proof-of-theft theft. So what we really had was a kid who smoked some weed (commence pearl clutching) and a little bit of graffiti (cue the fainting couch). Hardcore all the way.
Maybe Daddy the former judge pulled some strings. And since we’re speculating, maybe Daddy the former judge had some influence in why Sonny wasn’t arrested. There is some information that Daddy talked to both the police and prosecutors that night, though AFAIK nothing about what was said.
No, you’re adding 2 to X and pretending you know what an unknown variable is. Who spoke first tells us jack squat.
Here is the post to which I replied, in its entirety:
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Besides the theft, graffiti, and drugs? The original picture of Martin as a young teenager who looks like he swallowed a Disney movie are contrasted by his most recent image as a 17 year old on suspension. There’s a lot more “street” than the Back Street Boys image originally portrayed. At this point Martin is not exactly on the right track in his life.
Given that Martin was seen on top of Zimmerman and that he initiated contact with him, I find it more likely that he sucker punched him first when Zimmerman challenged his reason for being in the neighborhood.
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You state it was “given” that Martin initiated contact. You do not say “IMO, Martin initiated contact.”
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This CNN article places the first two 911 calls being placed at 7:16 pm. The shot is heard 45 seconds into the first call and 15 seconds into the second call. That puts the gunshot occurring at 19:17:00, plus or minus 15 seconds.
19:09:34 GZ calls police.
19:11:41 GZ says TM running. GZ gets out and follows.
19:12:?? TM receives call from girlfriend. This call lasts “about 4 minutes.”
19:13:37 GZ call to police ends.
19:16:15 (+/- 15 seconds) First 911 call on which screams and calls for help are heard.
A: A magistrate is a judicial officer, but in the state system, is not a judge. However, in the federal system there are magistrate judges who do hear civil and criminal cases from time to time if the defendant agrees.
The magistrate most often comes into the picture in criminal cases when an arrest has been made, or when a warrant of arrest is sought by law enforcement officers or private citizens.
If a warrantless arrest has been made, as soon as practicable after an arrest is completed, the arresting officer is required to bring the accused before a magistrate. The magistrate will review the evidence presented by the arresting officer and make a probable cause determination of whether there is sufficient evidence to sustain the arrest. If the magistrate believes there is sufficient evidence for the arrest, he will issue a warrant of arrest, and either set a bail, or hold over the accused without bail until a judge can set the bail.
In both the federal and state criminal justice systems, magistrates can issue search warrants. In this regard, the officer seeking a search warrant must appear before the magistrate and swear under oath to facts and circumstances that he believes justifies the issuance of the warrant to search a place, or the person designated in the application. If the magistrate determines there is probable cause based on this evidence to believe that evidence of a crime or contraband will be discovered by the search, he can issue the warrant.
That’s my fault for mis-reading my own cite. The original charge was “resisting arrest with violence” which was later reduceed to “resisting arrest without violence” and then waived when he entered the alcohol education program. So, no conviction, and therefore expungement was a fairly routine matter (Florida Expungement cite below.) I still see this as special treatment for first-time offenders although it could have been lack of evidence. I never thought he wailed on a cop but rather lost his cool and got in to a scuffle.
Is there any evidence that Robert Zimmerman had any strings? I have been doing google searches on Robert Zimmerman in Sanford Florida prior to Feb 26 and coming up empty. If he was involved in any community organizations or anything I would expect to get some hits. It is hard to sort out the pages that don’t have the correct time stamp.
My uncle used to have to bail my cousin out of jams all the time, but my uncle was a Captain at the fire department with tons of local connections.
So what? Maybe he wasn’t a judge. Maybe he was a particlar type of judge with lesser powers than “real” judges. But he called himself a judge, maybe just because he likes the sound of it better or it makes him feel more important. If he was trying to curry any favors in Sanford, and had to choose a self-descriptive term, I’d guess “judge” would be it.
That’s not to say he did so, but this thread is crazy with speculation, and I wanna play too.
