And yet the existence of Martin’s gf remained a shocker to them weeks after the shooting, even after the investigation was transferred to the state? Your theory doesn’t add up.
The fact that she didn’t call the police in the weeks after the shooting doesn’t add up. If she had information the police didn’t have, she had a responsibility to tell them.
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Point as always: how are we to know otherwise?
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Look, you suggested that they called 911 on Martins phone to confirm he had only one phone. Just admit thats a silly theory, please. We could all dream up explanations that absolve the PD of incompetency, but the number of angels trying to dance on the head of this pin is fast approaching maximum occupancy limits.
And do you know for a fact that she didn’t try to reach out to the PD? Maybe she did and was put on hold indefinitely. Or told to leave a message that didn’t prompt a return phone call. Or maybe someone spoke with her and they went through the motions of interviewing her but her statement wasn’t treated seriously and was forgotten.
I mean, if we’re going to play the " we just don’t know!" card with the Sanford PD and Zimmerman, you should certainly do the same thing with a witness. Because you know nothing about her. You don’t even know her name.
I haven’t been able to find a reliable cite saying when the police first talked to Martin’s GF. We didn’t find out about her until Martin’s attorney made the announcement, but that doesn’t mean the police found out about her then, or first attempted to contact her after that.
Iirc, it was Tracy Martin who found her by researching Trayvon’s phone records himself.
We can’t know anything for sure. I just know that 5 days is a long time for them to figure out how they could confirm a cell phone belonged to a certain person.
If they already knew it belonged to Martin, why would they even need to dial 911? What was the purpose of this little exercise?
Re the girlfriend. I don’t know why the police not getting in contact with her should be considered her fault. She’s 16. Last time I checked, that’s technically a child. Children of that age do not generally like to talk to adults, especially adults that are the police. She was also distraught over her boyfriend being shot. She may have also been waiting for the police to contact her, figuring that if they needed her testimony, they would find her. Being a child, who are generally not known for being very savvy, she may not have thought she had anything to contribute to the investigation.
(If the girlfriend had been an accomplice in a crime, do you really think it would sane to think that the police should wait for her to call them? Or do you think they would do their due diligence in tracking her down every way possible? A witness to a potential capital crime should be treated the same way.)
It is not the girlfriend’s job to do the police work. Maybe the police was going to eventually track her down, but you’d think they would have done so after three weeks (or however long it took). Why was the lawyer able to get the phone logs but the police had such trouble? As I said earlier, the police didn’t know who Martin had been on the phone with. For all they knew, the boy could have texted someone, leaving a message indicating that he was being stalked, please somebody help me before this crazy man kills me! Are ya’ll telling me that that isn’t important evidence? The phone could have contained critical evidence like this and more. The fact that the police department was already telling the family they believed Zimmerman (according to Martin’s family) before they even cracked the phone’s code makes me doubt there was seriousness put into the initial investigation. If we are to believe Martin’s family, I don’t know any other logical conclusion.
As I have before, the primary responsibly is with Crump. I don’t buy the story that DeeDee had a breakdown. In any case, he had a responsibility to notify the SA of her existence. Instead, he decided to sit on her for weeks and play that card at his convenience.
Like I said in my previous post, there is a logical explanation for this. They simply assumed that the phone found with Martin was his, and didn’t bother to check until later.
Again you, and seemingly everyone else, assume the police didn’t talk to her within a reasonable timeframe. What are you basing that on?
I take that to mean called the 911 center and ask for phone records, not call 911 from Martin’s phone.
It is of course the girlfriend’s responsibility, or that of her parents if she’s too young to do so, to call the police with any information she has. It is also the responsibility of the police to follow up on any leads. If the police happened to be negligent by not calling her (which assumes they either knew of her existence and ignored it, or failed to find out about her when they should, neither of which I consider certain), that doesn’t excuse her from volunteering the information.
And no, the police didn’t just leave her on hold or ignore the call. This isn’t a bad thriller.
It’s obvious that Crump informed the PD about this witness. That’s why we’re even in a position to talk about it. You’re essentially faulting him for notifying the cops sooner than he did, which assumes he was sitting on this evidence for a while. What makes you think he did?
And if Crump was able to track down Martin’s GF and get access to his phone logs, then why in blue blazes couldn’t the persons tasked with investigating this homicide? The cops had a head start plus Martin’s phone. They should have never been in the position of needing Crump to do anything for them.
No, I suggested to rebut your claim that the only inference is incompetence. I have no idea why they took that step, what else they knew when they did, and what they needed to still learn.
And neither do you.
The difference is that I admit it, while you call it “dreaming up” when the explanation doesn’t help your pet theory, and “obvious” when the dreamed-up theory does lean the way you like.
Because Crump deliberately withheld information until he could talk to the girl and steer her story in the right direction.
IMHO. Or maybe not. I don’t know.
Neither do you.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/03/trayvon-martin-girlfriend-hospitalized-following-death
The wake was March 3rd. That means that he knew that DeeDee was talked to Trayvon just before he died on March 4th. He sat on this information until March 20th or for 16 days.
Cite? Sounds like you’re dreaming up more stuff. Stop with the dreaming, Bricker.
And he told her what to say! And promised her a cut of the lawsuit profits! Which she was all too eager to accept, since SHE was the one that stole the jewelry and gave it to Treyvon to hold. His evasive answers about the jewelry were chivalrously noble.
What’s your evidence that he waited to tell the cops about this?
Is that a cellphone on Trayvon’s belt? I don’t recognize the model. It sort of looks like a flip phone that is open.
Cite my purpose?
Sure. I interviewed myself to confirm and during that interview I asked myself, “Did I offer that up to rebut the claim that the only inference was police incompetence?”
“Yes,” I answered. “I did.”