So now we are to discount all the unsworn testimony by anyone connected this story? In that case, lest’s go over what we have left: No unprovoked attack, no self defense, no fear of impending death; that’s all unsworn. Just an unarmed corpse, and a smoking gun. Is that not enough for a arrest?
The Zimmerman defenders never mention Chris Serino, however. As in the lead detective in the case. The investigator who questioned Zimmerman and didn’t find his story credible. The man with all the known facts gathered together and who wanted to bring charges but was overruled by by SA Wolfinger. But strangely, some unidentified witness who saw part of the confrontation carries more weight than Chris Serino.
The rules for Neighborhood watch are:
Don’t carry a weapon
Don’t pursue
Don’t confront
Zimmerman broke all of the rules. He was a loser playing TV Cop. He’s going to play the role to the end. Be his own lawyer. Go on Hannity and appeal to the public for $$$.
This is gold for Hannity and he’s going to mine it. Zimmerman might even put in a call to Limbaugh tomorrow.
A real fruitcake circus.
Crane
Let’s see just one quote from a poster here that supports your claim. Otherwise you’ve just created a strawman.
It seems you have never heard of the concept of “bail.” That is, the only difference between the current situation and your dream situation (as described above) is that in your dream situation, Zimmerman would be out a few hundred or thousand dollars to a bail bondsman. That’s it.
ETA: The fact that Zimmerman can’t work right now means that he’s probably out a lot more than he would have been for bail. So actually you really should prefer the present situation over your dream situation–there’s more financial impact to Zimmerman.
Here is what I’ve found so far. Either the SA said they weren’t going to prosecute or I could find a reference if they did.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2002-03-23/news/0203230188_1_shockey-wince-rifle
BTW, I’ve discovered that the Orlando Sentinel is in the process of putting up a paywall and many newspapers charge for their older articles.
You want me to quote a post that contains an omission? Holy shit, ya got me there.
5 hr interview of Zimmerman plus the interview of witnesses plus the evidence at hand. An investigation was made. And no, it wasn’t enough for an arrest. What lawyers have tried to explain to you is the difficulty in bringing any kind of charges against Zimmerman. I’ve argued that he could be found, maybe, culpable in his actions leading up to the shooting.
I was thinking the part you should support was the last sentence.
But, really, it’s just a strawman, and the fact that it is impossible for you to support the whole thing just proves it.
Have you even read this thread? The unidentified witness called “john” has been cited repeatedly. This is the witness who alleges that Martin was on top of Zimmerman at some point.
Well, you can take it or leave it. But there’s a little thing called the US Constitution that more or less sez all the unsworn and un-cross-examined stories (not testimony, stories) are not evidence.
We don’t know if the attack was provoked or not or who provoked it. We don’t know if there was self-defence, etc. Basically, Zimmerman was brought in and questioned for several hours, “voluntarily”. At that point in time, his story seemed to match closely enough to self-defence that he couldnt be arrested at that point in time.. He can certainly be arrested later, when the People bring charges. I don’t think you understand how that law works. If his story of self-defense is at all on the face of it credible, the Police MUST let him go, and can’t just “arrest” him. The People have to bring charges- then he can be arrested. And as Rand Rover sez, he’d have just made bail, and the Police would be stuck.
In general, unless the dude is a flight risk or a danger, there’s no fucking reason to jump the gun and “arrest him” . Probable cause or no, what happens is that if the evidence there on hand isn’t open and shut the Police hand it over to the DA. Who has the Police gather all the evidence so that the DA can bring charges based upon all the evidence- not just one days worth. And the DA has lots of evidence none of us has seen-like the ME report, ballistics, Zimmerman’s sworn statement (Zimmerman likely signed a statement), medical reports, ballistics, CSI, and so forth.
Yeah, there might have been a detective that disagreed with what the local DA and Police Chief thought. So? The thing is, it wouldn’t be his ass being sued. Nor, do “detectives” know the LAW as well as a DA. IMHO, his “testimony” now just shows what a unprofessional schmuck he is.
Cited by "Zimmerman defenders "? Prove it.
Fairly certain, given his history of calling in suspicious black males. And its not just him, the town’s not exactly sparkling clean on the area of race relations either. Plus, the many many unarmed black males who have been killed not just in FL but elsewhere, simply for being suspicious.
The SYG law, whether applicable or not to the specifics of the case, is being used by GZ to escape justice, was being used by the Sanford PD to justify not arresting him that night, and is being used by people to say that it was ok for GZ to follow an unarmed kid at night despite the 911 operator telling him not to and taking the law into his own hands. This law gave him the cover he needed to think he could chase down a kid and then shoot him, because without it, I believe people would not be so reckless, in general, as to initiate such confrontation
At that time, the authorities were in dispute as to whether his story matched other facts, if we are to believe the media reports. The lead investigator, who presumably knew the most about the facts, wanted to make an arrest. The state attorney’s office, who presumably knew more about the law, decided an arrest wasn’t feasible.
I’m gonna go ahead and make a prediction about the special prosecutor’s upcoming announcement. I predict she is NOT going to charge Zimmerman, not because of the facts of the case, but because of the ways the law has been interpreted in previous cases. I also predict she will call on the state legislature to review and revise the law to prevent it from being used as a shield in the future. I agree with Bricker that the law is poorly written. As a result of that, even though in a world of perfect justice Zimmerman deserves punishment, he won’t get it.
And I’d say it’s a less than even chance the legislature will change anything.
We’re not in a courtroom so you can save your presumption of innocence. The police do not have that obligation, that’s why they approach every car they pull over with one hand on their gun, that’s why lawyers tell you know to talk to them without an attorney present, in case they get something out of you that you shouldn’t have said.
For one thing, flight risk
We keep explaining that the 911 operator has no legal authority to “tell” anyone not to do anything. And they are trained to always tell everyone to not do anything until the police get there. Honestly, if the caller was telling the 911 operator that there was a dude taking a chainsaw to a pile of babies, the operator would say “stay on the line, don’t do anything until the police get there”. This is drilled into them over and over and over. They are* not *the police.
The 911 operators instructions have* no significance at all *in this case. Got it?
Sure. It’s quite possible. But like you said, the DA knows the law- and their job could be on the line for a bad call. The detective-* not so much*. After all, the buck doesn’t stop with him.
I predict she will charge Zimmerman with Manslaughter.
If Zimmerman was a flight risk, he’d be in jail now.
Play the video. ‘John’ is about 30 seconds in. This video was the day after the shooting.
OK, sure. It’s all here in my cite: