Of course it’s important - but lots and lots of people don’t care. If every one of those forensic facts come down on Zimmerman story’s side, there will still be the same howling for Zimmerman’s blood coming from the usual suspects.
Two minutes elapse between the time Martin first runs and Zimmerman ends his call with the dispatcher. Martin would have had plenty of time to walk home in two minutes. Therefore, you have to assume he either stops or takes a turn which is not on the direct path home. I suppose in the fear of the moment he could have gotten turned around and went the wrong way. But Zimmerman does say Martin was going towards the back entrance, which is in the general direction of the home Martin was visiting.
Do we know if George Zimmerman sought medical care that night? A broken nose and severe head wounds would seem to call for treatment.
Do we actually know what the money is slated to go to?
Well of course he stops. He was stopped (meaning, killed) less than 100 feet away from his dad’s house.
In your scenario, you posited that Martin stopped walking right at the entrance of the backyard walkway, and this is where Zimmerman was attacked. But Martin wasn’t killed at that spot. He was killed much closer to his destination.
Why does it seem like this detail keeps getting overlooked in this discussion? I’m not being snarky; it’s a genuine question. I feel like I’m the lone voice in the wilderness (aside from crowmanyclouds) he sees a big gaping hole that needs filling here.
It’s not sure that Martin knew Zimmerman had gotten out of his truck. Z says that M is running while Z is still in his truck, iirc.
If you trying to evade a truck, you may try to hide rather than out run it.
idk, just guessing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was related to trying to evade a truck rather than someone on foot.
Where does that detail come from?
The police report lists his body as being found between two addresses which match up with the news footage of the night of the incident. The spot is between the two northern buildings. Iirc, Martin’s fiancee lived in a more southern building.
No, wrong.
Here’s the problem: for every believable/corroborated/logical fact/piece of evidence/part of the story that seems to favor Zimmerman’s (purported) account of how things went down, there’s believable/corroborated/logical facts/pieces of evidence/parts of the story that directly refute it, cast serious doubt, or make it logically unbelievable.
If, over the course of the rest of this situation, plenty of evidence emerges in the form of multiple witnesses, medical reports about both him and Trayvon, details of what the police investigated and discovered, more information about Trayvon’s background, etc, and it really leans harder towards Zimmerman’s version of events, then most people will have no choice but to accept it.
So far, the things which seem to support Zimmerman are generally not very plausible. They can become more so, the scenario he paints is hardly impossible in the abstract. But right now it just doesn’t pass the smell test.
OK, how about this scenario, Trayvon is walking home when he notices Zimmerman watching him, but he keeps walking. Zimmerman gets out of his truck, with his gun to check the street sign, but TRrayvon decides to run, because he doesn’t know what this guy wants. ZImmerman runs after and Trayvon rounds the corner, but not being from the neighborhood isn’t exactly sure where he needs to go, sol he hides. Maybe he saw the gun and thought hiding was the best option. Zimmerman rounds the corner, loses sight of Martin, passes him halfway down the sidewalk and turns around. Now maybe Martin sees Zimmerman or Zimmerman see Martin or they both see each other, but what happens here could be any number of things. This is where so much of it hinges, because although I think Zimmerman is negligent (maybe not legally, but…) for chasing Martin with a gun in his hand, but that doesn’t sound illegal in and of itself. But what happened when the two of them actually came face-to-face, we probably will never know.
He wasn’t stopped. It’s pretty clear at this point Martin decided to stop and confront Zimmerman. He wasn’t far from his dad’s house, and he could have easily made it home. There’s no plausible scenario where Zimmerman catches Martin and starts the confrontation.
Huh? Zimmerman didn’t have a gun in his hand. Martin managed to bust his nose and lip up, and then cause the back of his head to bleed by slamming it in the sidewalk. If he was able to do that, surely he would have been able to get a gun away. By far the most likely solution is that Zimmerman was carrying the gun concealed, and managed to draw it and shoot Martin in the struggle.
Here is a map showing where Martin was shot, where the house he was visiting is, and Zimmerman’s house.
If the kid was only 2 minutes from home, it was dark, and he had the advantage of being on a walkway that is sheilded from view from the street, I can’t imagine why he’d choose to hide as opposed to run or “walk fast” or whatever it is he told his girlfriend he was doing. Zimmerman was on foot when he was initially following him, by the sound of it.
None of us know where Zimmerman’s truck was found either. We don’t know if it was parked near the community entrance where he called 911 or if was further down on Twin Trees, near where the shooting occurred. While 911 was telling him not to follow the kid, we also don’t know if Zimmerman got back in his car and tried to close the distance or what. During that 2-minute call we can’t assume he was stationary (even though it doesn’t sound as though he was walking anymore after he was told not to follow).
All we definitely know is that 1) the kid wound up killed no where near Zimmerman’s truck (so the attack couldn’t have happened on the main road) and 2) the kid wound up killed within a rock’s throw of destination.
Iirc, Matrin runs before Z gets out.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav
Z seems to get in response to M running
At what point?
Wow. The Miami Herald didn’t take it lying down.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html
Now we have three suspensions and stolen jewelry in his book bag.
My favorite part is:
Because he will have to cross the road again to get where he is going. The truck could conceivably make it to where M would have come out from between the buildings.
It depends on what you mean by "initially following him. M runs before Z gets out of his vehicle.
Maybe, but what if Martin surprised Zimmerman, punched him and never really saw the gun. There are many different possible explanations. I don’t knwo which one is most plausible.
Z seems to get OUT in response to M running