Why Hitler “succeeded” and Trump has already failed

First, some caveats:

Hitler was one of the most evil and destructive persons in human history, yet he also had some qualities and behaviors that allowed him to “succeed” under his own twisted terms in taking power in Germany and territory in Europe. (To a point: the loss of the Battle of Britain, owing in large part to Hitler’s faith in the feckless Göring, made winning WWII improbable thereafter, while Operation Barbarossa, the attack on the Soviet Union, was an idiocy that sealed his and Germany’s fate. Meanwhile, the Holocaust was nothing but gratuitous evil that did nothing to help Germany.) Thus, while I wish to recognize some reasons for Hitler’s success, nothing I write in this post should be construed as admiration or approbation for this monster in the general sense. Further, although Trump is a fascist authoritarian in terms of both inclination and actions, I am not implying that he is evil on the same scale. In my view, he’s a barely sentient animal with highly destructive but not genocidal intentions.

The thesis

Hitler succeeded in taking total power in Germany, and our justified fear has been that Trump wishes to do the equivalent in the United States. Yet Trump has not only failed to make progress toward this goal but has already made success impossible for himself and anyone who might succeed him. Let’s compare Hitler and Trump to see why this is the case.

1. Hitler was fairly young when he took power; Trump is demented and dying.

Hitler was only 43 when he took power in 1933, and he took on his totalitarian task with gusto. When he started out, Hitler did not have to worry much about a successor, since he would be around for a while.

In contrast, Trump is—well, you can see for yourself. He is old, demented, and confused, and he looks like a dying frog. Instead of planning world domination, he spends a lot of his time on the golf course. Further, because of his age, Trump needs a successor in order for the GOP to consolidate power (fantasies of a third term aside). But the GOP has no one who would be effective in the role (at least that I can see).

2. Hitler aimed to unify Germany; Trump purposely antagonizes half the population every day.

In its evil, fascism fundamentally depends on getting the majority to fear and oppress an Other, and the nazis of course selected the Jews. According to Gemini, however, “When Hitler took power in January 1933, there were approximately 522,000 Jews in Germany. This represented less than 0.75% of the total German population, which was around 67 million at that time.” Thus, Hitler was bullying a tiny minority. And he didn’t actually do much to them concretely at first: the Nuremberg Laws, which really began to limit Jews’ role in Germany society, were not enacted until September 15, 1935, and Kristallnacht did not happen until November 9, 1938. In short, Hitler was careful for a pretty long period of time about harming his chosen victims.

Further, while Hitler and the nazis were assholes that burned books, eliminated freedom of the press, held exhibits of “degenerate art,” and were in general a burden on the society and culture of Germany, they weren’t trolling the German people just for the fuck of it, nor were they picking parts of German society (besides the Jews) to exclude from the whole. They wanted everyone to be on board, and they in general tried to create their own distorted version of a good vibe in the country (e.g., the 1936 Olympics). Rather, Hitler spoke about reconciling the classes of society and unifying the Volk.

In contrast, Trump and the GOP choose a huge swathe of the country to be the Other: the Libs, “woke people,” LGBTQ+ people (trans people in particular), “illegals,” etc., and they relentlessly troll, antagonize, and attack these groups. But here’s the thing: such a strategy works in getting votes from the Deplorables—utter morons with a mean streak—but it doesn’t work when it comes to unifying and leading the country.

3. Hitler comported himself with dignity; Trump makes a daily ass of himself.

After WWII, the majority of clips one might see of Hitler on TV were of him gesticulating wildly during one of his speeches. The message was clear: Who could have supported this ranting, crazy mutherfucker?

If one watches an entire speech by Hitler, however, one sees that Hitler “ranted” only during the crescendo portion of his speeches and was actually an incredibly skilled and disciplined orator. Further, perhaps contrary to expectations, Hitler almost never made outright antisemitic comments during his speeches but instead focused on the themes of how Germany had been wronged and how he would fix things (there is, however, a fuck-ton of resentment, grievance, victimhood, etc., in his speeches, which one will find in common with the speeches of fellow fascist Trump). Further, on the international stage, Hitler operated with gravitas and discipline in addition to aggression.

In contrast… need I say much here? Trump has one of the biggest, dumbest fucking mouths in world history, spewing a nonstop stream of infantile, obnoxious, and offensive verbal vomit. The reaction to this effluent practically guarantees a hard division within the country: to the Deplorables, it’s hucka-rucka-haw-haw-haw; to anyone with an IQ above 80, it’s a rock-solid reason never to support Trump in any way.

Moreover, Trump in no way distinguishes his domestic and international audiences, subjecting them to the same radioactive moronitude. You know how to ensure that your ambition to annex Canada and Greenland absolutely never comes to pass? Say a bunch of dumb fucking shit that telegraphs your intention and alienates anyone who might ever support you, that’s how!

4. Hitler surrounded himself with competent but evil people (and some incompetents); Trump has only toadies and idiots.

One of Hitler’s flaws was that he was too loyal and indulgent to incompetents like Robert Ley, Wilhelm Keitel, and the aforementioned Hermann Göring. Unfortunately for humanity, however, Hitler also had Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Martin Bormann, and the list goes on. Further, he had worked with many of these men for a long time before he took power, and he was able to leverage their evil competencies quite effectively.

In contrast… sigh. Pete Hegseth, Kristi Noem, and the once vaunted Leon Musk have been total incompetents in their respective roles and, to add bad PR to injury, have said a bunch of dumb trolling shit that hasn’t helped the Trump regime at all. Other fools, such as Steve Miller have Trump’s self-defeating tendency to overshare, telegraphing strategies that should remain hidden and revealing to the world the bad intentions of the regime. To call it a shitshow is to insult shit itself.

5. Hitler made his intention to take total power clear from the start; Trump has no clear intention or goals.

Hitler led the Beer Hall Putsch in 1925 and wrote Mein Kampf during his short prison sentence thereafter. There was never any mystery as to his intentions. In his first speech as Chancellor of Germany, on February 10, 1933, Hitler said, “Thus we want to break with all the manifestations of a rotten democracy and place in its stead the everlasting realization that everything which is great can originate only in the power of the individual and that everything which is to be preserved must be entrusted once more to the ability of the individual. We will combat the manifestations of our parliamentary and democratic system, which leads us to our twelfth item—restoring decency to our Volk.”

Hitler had a plan from the start, and he made it known to everyone. He didn’t have to pull his punches or waste time pretending to the media and the people that he was doing anything other than he was.

Trump has given himself no such advantage. I really don’t know whether he’s sat down with his fellow fascists and openly said, “We’re going to take over this country.” I don’t even know if he has that thought in his head, though it is clear that he is, perhaps by instinct alone, moving in that direction (and has been moving in it since January 6, 2021). I have no doubt that nazis like Bannon and Miller do have such thoughts in their heads, but do they allow themselves to share them with others? Again, I know not.

What I do know, however, is that Trump and the GOP in general can’t openly say they want to attain authoritarian control of the US. Trump has toyed with the media a bit about it, saying he would be dictator “only on day one,” but then again, Trump is always trolling.

Not articulating what you want makes it very difficult to get people to rally around a plan. Trump and the GOP have to keep faking they are doing democracy as usual, which also prevents them from taking explicit action. If they have a strategy, it is to weaken democratic institutions and the morale of the opposition until the time is right for the putsch proper—but this is a weak, time-consuming approach, and it has delivered no results thus far.

6. Hitler took decisive action quickly; Trump has not.

Major dumbass and then-President of Germany Paul Hindenburg issued the Reichstag Fire Decree on February 28, 1933—not even a month into the Hitler regime. This decree pretty much gave Hitler all the authority he needed to do whatever he wanted, but the Enabling Act was signed on March 23, 1933—not even two months into the regime—and it was game over for democracy in Germany. Legally. Hitler still had to retain the support of President Hindenburg, who had the power to fire him and held great sway in the military, as well as the support of the people. Dachau concentration camp opened on March 22, 1933, and nazi oppression would gradually get worse, but as I said above, Hitler didn’t simply go random apeshit at this point.

Trump has gone random apeshit and has nothing to show for it but a huge chunk of the population that is more pissed off than ever. We can debate whether anything he or his minions have done has weakened democracy and theoretically put Trump in a position to strike later—but strike thus far he has not. Is the LA crackdown a smart move in the strategy that, per Point No. 5 above, Trump must keep close to the vest? Some think not:

Meanwhile, Trump, being who he is, can’t avoid conflict and has antagonized Musk, a person whose support would be of some use going forward, and whose opposition it would be prudent to avoid.

To sum it all up

Hitler was young and ready to pursue his openly expressed and planned strategy to take over Germany, and he had the men he needed to do it. He acted decisively and with gravitas and discipline, avoiding any gratuitous antagonization of key allies and the population.

In contrast, Trump is old and dying and lacks any clearly articulated strategy or intention. He has surrounded himself with idiots, and he hasn’t acted decisively or effectively to take power. He makes a continuous fool of himself and purposely trolls and alienates a majority of the US population, and he can’t maintain relationships with his allies.

Trump isn’t just going to fail—he’s already failed. Whether his intention was to become dictator or merely serve as an effective president (under his own demented standard), he’s cooked. His health is so poor that I doubt he will serve out his current term, but he will continue to degenerate and take down the GOP with him. If he’s lucky, he won’t spark an outright revolution first.

And yet, his yipping idiot supporters still support him.

Yes. I don’t think Trump has many skills and behaviors that help him be a good president (under his own shitty standard), but he is an extremely skilled self-promoter and moron-whisperer. He is incredibly good at manipulating low-intellect people, and I would go so far as to say that he is a world-class orator in that dimension.

Maintaining his base is a necessary but very much insufficient basis for becoming dictator.

He has NOT “already failed”.
Talk about a premature announcement!

I don’t know if it is because some of you are die-hard eternal optimists, or whether it’s just a matter of your wishful thinking. I do know that Trump has not “failed”. In fact, he has been very successful in seizing more and more power. I guess time will reveal all.

Fair enough, but such comments and columns from pundits are not uncommon at this point:

Etc.

Right, even just what Trump has done to the courts will take several
decades to fix, at the most optimistic.

Jews were just one of Hitler’s many enemy groups, which also included foreigners and his political enemies (remember, “First they came for the socialists”). And trans people are about the same proportion of the population as Jews were.

I’m not really optimistic about politics in the US. It’s going to take a revolution or its equivalent to put this country on the right course. But I don’t think Trump will succeed.

Let me put it this way: it’s clear in hindsight that, once Hitler invaded Russia, he was going to lose WWII in the worst way. He had already failed, even though at the time he seemed to be succeeding initially.

Trump is not in his bunker yet, but I think the signs are clear that that is his destination, metaphorically speaking.

I disagree on this point. He has made piecemeal power grabs, but he has not taken over the government, and he is losing his grip on the grabs in court.

It tends to work that way. :slight_smile:

I remember people saying this in 2017.

When he dies, I’ll believe he’s dying.

One thing the OP seems to have left out is that Germany in the 30s was reeling from the aftermath of WWI. Germany was unable to negotiate favorable terms of surrender and was saddled with crushing debt due to reparations to the countries it decimated in WWI, and runaway inflation. A population subjected to that sort of misery is going to be unwilling to rise up against a leader like Hitler and will be willing to listen to Jew-baiting and to go along to get along.

Meanwhile, we have the price of eggs being too high, which is not exactly a deal breaker. As for failing, Trump continues to abuse the Constitution and to act out his worst inclinations because few on the right are willing to give up their paychecks by fighting against him. Trump doesn’t have Jews to blame, but he does have those dirty immigrants to point a finger at. It resonates with more people than we’d like to believe. And while we’re looking at that, he is not-so-quietly pilfering Fort Knox.

I don’t agree about “foreigners” in general. Slavs, yes, but that wasn’t part of how he took power. When we get to his selling of WWII, this definitely comes into play. “International Bolshevism and Jewry” were definitely his long-term Others.

Hitler neutralized the political opposition almost immediately, so that wasn’t an issue after the Enabling Act.

Wrt Trump, I’m thinking about his antagonizing almost the entire Hispanic population of the country, as well as anyone who identifies as a Democrat.

Meanwhile, in Cafe Society, Mel Brooks is shilling his next film at 98…

Yes, that would be a good Point No. 7: Hitler had fertile soil in which to grow his regime; Trump does not (comparatively).

That’s a whole different topic that I’d like to cover, but the reason why Trump’s hate and resentment resonate with people is the same reason why right-wing parties have seen a resurgence around the world: the economy just doesn’t work very well for people any more, and we don’t know how to fix that.

I think one key difference is that Germans had a reason to be pissed that they shared with other countries (the Depression) but also one that was more or less unique to them: your cited loss of, and humiliation after, WWI.

Trump, being the demagogue that he is, is good at pretending that there’s something unique about America’s problems that he can fix, but there really isn’t.

Yeah. I don’t think anyone but Hitler and Trump could have pulled off their respective depredations. The GOP is going to go down in history as utterly guilty, complicit, and cowardly in all this. What a disgrace.

I think people are pissed, justifiably, and humans by nature like to blame someone when they are pissed. It’s the stupid ones that don’t see that Trumpism is entirely counterproductive.

Last Week Tonight used to have a running gag during his first term, where Trump would do something so incredibly illegal and/or stupid that it would automatically bring down any other President in history, and loud celebratory music would play, balloons and streamers would come down and the celebrating would begin…only to have John Oliver put a stop to the celebrating by showing us how Trump got away with it yet again.

He looks absolutely miserable, and I think almost anyone else would have quit this shit by now. I will indeed give Trump credit for his zombie-like stamina.

I think the telling thing will be in 2028 when we find out if MAGA is a legitimate political movement that will transcend Trump, or whether it’s just a personality cult.

Trump’s clearly in this for what he perceives as his legacy and personal glory. He’s likely got his own Grima Wormtongue whispering in his ear (Stephen Miller? Laura Loomer?) telling him that all this Project 2025 stuff is going to establish his legacy as the greatest President ever and all sorts of other bullshit like that. I don’t see the man himself actually having the majority of the most egregious things as something he’s thought about, etc… Someone told him it was a good idea, etc… I can see the tariffs being his idea; using that as a club to bludgeon other countries is completely on brand for Trump himself.

I’m not at all convinced that Trump actually has or ever had Hitlerian world domination goals. Being President is basically where he wants to be, and if he’s actively involved in planning this expansion of executive power and flouting of rules and norms, it’s because he doesn’t like dealing with pesky stuff like laws and Congress who get in the way of his greatness (i.e. autocratic tendencies) not because they get in the way of his longer term goals.

I have a feeling that MAGA is a personality cult, and that there’s a high possibility that whoever slithers out of the muck in 2028 to win the Republican nomination won’t have anywhere near the love or backing that Trump has, and that the GOP will largely revert to some sort of status quo ante Trump, if only because we’ve seen that they’re all spineless bootlickers, and they won’t actually follow through on anything that would require resolve.

Very nice and insightful post! I agree 100% with what you wrote.

I very much think that MAGA is a personality cult and will be worth caterpillar spit after Trump is dead or otherwise out of commission. The question is whether the GOP can survive at all at that point, but we’ve all discussed that elsewhere.

IMO, being emperor is what he wants to be, and why, in this term, he and his administration have been actively dismantling and subverting any checks and balances that keep him from being able to do whatever he likes.

Also, “not being in prison” is where he wants to be, and why he ran for President again in the first place.

Which makes it all the more puzzling that Trump has had the successes he had. The price of eggs might be a completely trivial matter, true… and yet, somehow, that was enough for people to want to elect a fascist. Empirical results cannot be denied: We might not be able to understand how Trump succeeds, but that doesn’t make it untrue.

Can the courts enforce their rulings?

– if the intent is to take over the USA government as a functioning institution, sure, he and his backers are failing at that. If the intent is to destroy the US government as a functioning institution, they’re well on the way.

And if the intent is primarily to loot the place with no concern with what happens to it as long as what happens doesn’t include prosecuting the looters, they’re doing quite nicely at that one so far also.

I’m afraid the USA has lots of fertile soil for fear of the Other. I wish it weren’t so; but it is.

You think that if Trump can still stand up and make some sort of speech he won’t run again, Constitution be damned?

Or else try to cancel the election; probably in the form of “postponing” it for some form of “national emergency.” (We, or at least the North, held elections during the Civil War.)