Why I hate Witnessing

Dear Witnesses:

O.K. I don’t really expect to change your mind if you read this. I doubt you’ll even read this with an open mind. But I’m going to tell you anyway why I hate you so much.
Do you really believe that cramming you religion down other peoples throats is going to win any converts? You’re like the used car salesmen of religion. If I ever had the faintest interest in joining whatever weird religious cult you belong to your stormtrooper tactics have made so I shudder with disgust at the very mention of the idea. In fact you’ve made me so angry I want to become a Satanist purely to annoy you! You claim that it’s your “religious mission” to try and convert the non-believer. Just remember the Al-Quida think it’s their religious mission to destroy the U.S. Makes me wonder just how valid your mission really is eh? Do I try and convert you to my beliefs? No. Quit trying to annoy me with yours.

P.S: I don’t give a damn if Jesus Loves me. It just sounds like your trying to take pity on me when you say it. Just shut up.

How open minded of you!

Yeah, witnessing is annoying, though I suppose if you truly do believe then there would be no reason not to and a rather compelling reason to do so, what is being considered annoying compared to the chance of redeeming someone’s soul.

Not sure I really agree with this reasoning. Lets shift it a bit.

Scientist Joe claims it is his “scientific mission” to find a cure for AIDs. Just remember that Scientist Bob’s “scientific mission” is to prove the Loch Ness Monster and Psychics exist. Makes you wonder just how valid Joe’s mission really is.

And we’ll over look the missions while both based in religion are completely different. One seeks destruction; the other seeks salvation, not the same thing in my book. Of course I’m pretty sure you are linking Witnesses with Al-Quida to get a rise out of someone, this is the Pit after all.

While I might have a lifespan of all of 5 minutes under Al-Quaida, outspoken, Christian woman that I am, I’ll still argue that their beliefs are just as valid to their followers are mine are to me.

In other words, Scientist Bob’s scientific mission isn’t proving the Loch Ness monster exists; it’s tracking the physiological changes wrought by AIDS.

As for overt witnessing, of the sort furryman describes, I’m with you. Besides – I’ve already got a religion. I really don’t have the time or resources to juggle two! :wink:

I don’t mind when they “witness” with kindness, compassion and patience. “But it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing.”

I just want a tattoo or a stamp or something that shows I have Heard the Word (well the Words actually, we get them all here, one day I want them all to meet in my driveway and fight to the death) and therefore need not hear it again.

Get this folks, the answer is no, it will continue to be no. I don’t care what your God says to you about coming to my door or stopping me on the street, He has no authority in my life and as far as I am concerned He is not the one you need to get permission from before annoying me. Oh, and bypassing the no soliciting sign on my doorbell by knocking on my door instead impresses nobody you moronic missionaries!

**Thylacine wrote:

I just want a tattoo or a stamp or something that shows I have Heard the Word (well the Words actually, we get them all here, one day I want them all to meet in my driveway and fight to the death) and therefore need not hear it again.**

Hear! Hear!

This sums up my feelings, exactly! It isn’t so much that the evangelicals are proselytizing as they keep proselytizing to the same people, over and over and over. Nothing, absolutely nothing will ever convince me convert to Christianity. Not even (the J/C/I) God appearing before me ala Monty Python and the Holy Grail!

I wish the evangelical Christians had a better accounting system so they can figure who they’ve spread The Word to and who they haven’t and FINALLY leave me alone!

In fact, God would probably lose followers this way! :smiley:

Sometimes I rather like being assumed to be too stupid to know the “Truth”

Other times, I just like to play “Tweak the Twit”.

Either way, the nut cases can be fun. :wink:

Wow, someone needs to go back to Analogies 101! That is the single worst substitution analogie I’ve ever seen in my entire life.

REPENT! REPENT!

And followed up by the most stupid spelling of “Analogy” that I’ve ever committed.

I REPENT! I REPENT!

Did you understand what I was getting at?

They can’t really believe that they are the first people to come up to you and try to tell you that Jesus died for you, can they? Maybe they are so egotistical as to believe that they, and they alone, have the ability to change somone’s belief system(gained through a lifetime of careful thought and experience) by shouting Bible verses in the victims face.

Or worse, a Catholic.
(Not that I have anything against Catholics, but for some reason, all the Witnesses I have known hate Catholics. And I’ve noticed a lot of the JW literature picks apart the Catholic faith in particular.)

Obviously not!

Yes, yes, I know this is the Pit…but I would like to try to inject a note of rationality. Do forgive me, please. :wink:

The type of evangelism of which furryman complains is more than a biblical commandment; it’s a psychological imperative for those who practice it. There are so many biblical commandments which are blithely ignored–happyheathen and others can come up with a long list, I’m sure, starting with ‘Love thy neighbor’–so why is this particular one so fervently implemented?

Evangelism is one variety of a very common psychological, emotional device that works like this:

Step 1. An individual becomes convinced (converted, born again, whatever) of a non-logical viewpoint on life/existence. He accepts this belief (in an afterlife, reincarnation, heaven, whatever) because of the emotional comfort it gives him on a very deep, emotional level.

Step 2. Assuming that the individual is not totally insane, living in his own fantasy world, he goes about life in a reasonably normal way: benefitting from technology and science, depending on the continuing efficacy of logical cause-and-effect reasoning in, for instance, driving a car.

Step 3. Eventually, sometimes very quickly, his emotional need to believe in a spiritual regimen that includes non-rational dogma comes into subconscious conflict with his rational assessment that such things may be unlikely. Silent, nagging, religious doubt is the true cross forever born by religious enthusiasts. (BTW, any etymologists present? I hope the use of ‘enthusiast’ here tickles you as much as its does me. :slight_smile: )

Step 4. This feeling of doubt is (almost) always resolved in the following simple manner: The emotional needs win and the intellect is bent to support them. So how can he use intellect to repress doubt in these areas?

Step 5. A simple answer: If he can convert others to his faith and they become strong believers (without revealing their interior doubts to the public), that gives strong support to his own belief. The intellect, therefore, works at finding ways to convert the unbeliever–such as witnessing on your doorstep and in SDMB.

To summarize–perhaps I should have done this first? :slight_smile: --the religious enthusiast needs to convert others in order to strengthen his own belief…and any amount of logic you care to put in front of him won’t change this. The poor schmuck must work it out for himself, hopefully before burning anyone at the stake.

For the rest of us, well, we may at least try to love our neighbors–but a strong fence helps.

Oh, yes, this is the Pit so I’ll try to cooperate: If you don’t like what I’ve said, Fuck Off!!…and have fun doing it. :wink:

Satyagrahi, yes that sounds very similar to what Joseph Campbell used to say. No matter what you try to tell yourself on a conscious level, your subconscious knows damn well it’s a load of crap. The cognitive dissonance creates an anxiety which people try to relieve by convincing other people of the same bullshit. No matter how many people they convince, though (usually not many) they can still never convince their own subconscious, and therefore not eradicate the anxiety. This is what leads to zealotry, fanatacism, and hostility to other viewpoints.

Dravin, out of curiousity, did you understand what I was getting at?

CJ

It works like this:

A and B are both C, by the OPs reasoning if B is not considered valid for reasons other then it is C, then A must be so. Which isn’t the case.

Back to scientists, just because Scientist B is working on something that may be considered invalid doesn’t mean Scientist A’s work is somehow suspect because both term their work (or it is) science.

That the analogy was either poorly executed, or flawed. Of course if executed poorly enough it is flawed for all intents and purposes, on more then one level.

Wouldn’t work. It would just let them know who hasn’t been saved yet, so they would know they needed to concentrate there even more. Wouldn’t that be fun. :smiley: