Why I want to learn a foreign language

I speak 7 languages, 5 of those I learned as an adult. I’ve also taught languages, so I have an idea of how language learning works.

Here is a secret: there is no such thing as being bad at languages, or not being able to learn languages. You learned English, didn’t you? You can do the others too. I’m just saying this because I’ve worked with loads of people who started out telling me that “I’m crap at languages” or “I’m just bad at this”. The fact is, everybody learns in a different way. Perhaps the way you approached those other languages was just not your way. I have worked with people who spent most of lesson 1 crying because they had such low self-esteem and I have never failed to teach a student the language they wanted to learn.

As others have said, immersion is the best way to go. IMO that is partially because it offers all possible ways of learning, while eg a textbook offers just one way. Most languages I speak I only became comfortable with after spending in country where it is spoken. If that is not an option I would invest in a personal tutor. You could also gently start with a free online option such as live mocha. It’s really not great, but it’s free and it gives you a start. I used it to start learning Romanian. Then I got a textbook (Romanian doesn’t have any good textbooks grr) and went to Romania to learn properly. But it was good to have a little head start with live mocha. I also had a friend who used it on the side while I taught her Portuguese, it just helped her learn extra words.

Good luck and have fun learning a language! :slight_smile:

If you can’t go the total immersion route, try everything else until you find out what works for you. Listen to tapes, take a class at a local school, take an online class. There are lots of free materials available over the internet. Listen to radio programs or watch you tube videos of programs in your target language. Don’t worry so much about understanding at first-- just get used to the rythmns of the language.
Write out vocabulary and sentences. Use pictures and different colors as memory aids. If you are alone, sing and dance your sample sentences. The more senses you engage, the more you remember. The sillier you are, the more you’ll remember. Make it fun.
Put in the time. But relax about it, too. Stress interferes with learning, and pleasure enhances it.

Good luck! You can do it.

Is immersion always the best way to go?

Take me as an example. I grew up in the US with an Italian father and an American mother – Italian was my first language, but by the time I started school at age 5, I was listening to my father speak Italian to me and answering him in English. Then I took four years of Italian in high school and two years of Italian literature classes in college. I still understand it much, much better than I can speak it, but when I go to Italy I noticeably speak the language better by the end of my visit than when I first arrived. Immersion would be awesome for me. Moving to Italy would probably make me be fluent in a couple of months.

Okay.

But now I’m taking Russian classes. This language seems like it would be impossible for me to learn just by moving to Russia. English and Italian (and by extension, all the Romance languages) syntax and grammar seem intuitive to me thanks to the environment I grew up in, but Russian syntax and grammar are very different.

One thing I don’t think I could pick up on just by listening is the Russian case system, particularly since some of the suffixes in some cases are the same as the suffixes in another case but for another gender. (For example, the feminine singular gentive sounds like the nominative plural; the masculine singular genitive resembles a feminine singular nominative word; the masculine singular dative sounds like the feminine singular accusative, etc.) How on earth would I be able to sort that all out without sitting down and learning the grammar in a classroom setting? As it is, I’ve been taking classes for over a year and I still need to carry a chart around with all the cases laid out for me.

I think dropping me off in Saint Petersburg would be a great opportunity to be forced to speak the language, but when it comes to learning and, well, groking it (for lack of a better word!), I need a classroom.

While I grant that everyone could eventually learn a foreign language, it is much harder for some than for others. I have a friend who is terrible at learning languages who reported that after a week in Paris with a colleague who had never studied French (native Serb-Croatian speaker) was starting to speak a little bit.

Now I can speak French–sort of. What I have never been able to do is understand it unless the speaker slows way down. And I have been living in Montreal for 44 years.

Still total immersion is the way to go.

Rosetta Stone uses memorization, memorization, and even more memorization. It’s all pictures; the only language you read and hear is your target language, so that they can easily resell it in many different countries, I assume. The only exception is the menus to navigate around the program itself.

I used it for a while and it was alright. You do learn a lot of vocabulary - but I am hard pressed to think of other notable strengths.

Learning a language is difficult, and a bit like learning to play a musical instrument. You feel stupid and childish for a long,long time. It is embarrassing and boring.

For example: spend half an hour repeating “I go, you go, he goes , we go, you (plural)go , they go”. “I went, you went, he went, we went , you (plural) went, they went” .
Then ask yourself, gee,I’m not sure of the rule: why did I have to add the “S” to he "go"es, but not to he “went”? Maybe I should ask the teacher if it’s okay to say “he wents” …
Doing this all day long makes you feel stupid…
Then, when you finally feel like you’ve learned something, you can --gasp!–make a whole sentence!!! You can make simple statements like a child. And when you talk like a child, people treat you like a child. For example: in a store, you may be able to ask a 5 word sentence, speaking very slowly :“how much does this cost?”. But you will not be able to understand the cashier’s answer, which sounds like a machine-gun burst: a high-speed, 50- word answer about the discount for buying 2 of the larger size packages and paying with the chain’s members-club credit card. You stand there, like a bewildered child, not knowing what to do.

And , like a musical instrument, the only way to learn is to practice, physically.You have to move your lips in strange motions, speak out loud— a lot, and often, using all the words and the rules of grammer which you’ve just learned in today’s lesson.

Total immersion helps…and speaking with a sexy friend helps even more :slight_smile: . But even with all that help, it took me 3 years to reach fluency.
It is a long, slow process, and you’ll have plenty of painful moments when you feel like a child
Hang in there, and dont let yourself get discouraged…

And then,-- magically–success is achieved!–when you are out on a date with your sexy friend, and you both laugh together at a stand-up comic…

My wife is teaching herself Polish at the moment. She’s used both the Pimsleur Approach and Rosetta, and prefers the former.

The way I sometimes put it is: A foreign language sounds like nonsense, like complete gibberish, until you’ve passed a certain threshold of learning. Then it doesn’t.

I would suggest that go to youtube and look up the channel for “LingoSteve”. This is a person that has learned 11 languages and has some very very wise and efficient advice as to learning a second, third, etc language.

His videos are very inspiring because it makes so much sense how he explains the process. It’s basically this: Language learning is the RELENTLESS PURSUIT OF WORDS. That is it. So his number one recommendation is Input, input, input. This means reading and listening in your target language, building up your vocabulary. Grammer comes later when you’ve got an adequate vocabulary already. When you think of it, this is how babies learn languages. For months and years they are just there watching, listening, noticing the rhythm of the language around them. After so much time, then they start to speak.

Well, anyway, he (LingoSteve - his real name is Steve Kaufman), has inspired me to pick up Spanish again after I’d given up on it about 5 yrs ago. And I’m making very good progress.

Hope this helps.

Dean.

Maybe it would be easier if you focused on learning just one language. Spanish would be a good choice since you can get the immersion experience in parts of the United States and it’s good for employment purposes. Also, you can watch Univision with closed caption turned on to help with the pronunciation. Once you learn Spanish, it would probably be easier to learn others.

Well, I took five years of French in school, a semester of it in college and a semester of German. I now live in Alsace.

The Alliance Francaise was my first stop. They teach wonderfully and to a very consistent standard. The brilliance of doing this in France itself was the face that my fellow students were not native English speakers. If we wanted to speak to each other at all, it had to be in French.

The high school French resurrected itself in a magical way- it just came back. It’s still hard to speak what they would consider ‘employable’ French for me. My accent is weird- very weird- from those high school classes.

The German came back, too, which has impressed me more as I had significantly less of that. But I did grow up with Yiddish speaking grandparents and hearing something so close being spoken again brought that back, too.

My husband uses the Michael Thomas CDs, and has learned a fair bit from them- vocabulary mainly But I’m the one that has to go to the doctor with him to translate and make all the phone calls.

As many have noted, plopping yourself in a country is the most effective way to learn. If you are in a big city, there are probably enough English speakers to bail you out in an emergency. Here in Luanda, we signed up for language ( Portuguese ) classes two times a week and quickly became reasonably fluent. I speak Portuguese to my driver and he speaks English to me.

Many of the locals here learn English by watching US television shows. It might not be very efficient but if you have access to foreign language channels, it might be a way to practice and pick up some phases. You could also rent movies with subtitles. I would skip Rosetta Stone. Your money would be better spent by signing up for a class at a local college.

Boa sotre !!! ( this means “good luck” - no charge for the first lesson ::smiley: )

I agree that everyone has the capacity to learn languages, although it will be a tougher slog for some people than others. I’ve seen a group of 30 people, many well into their 60s and 70s, learn Mandarin through immersion. Everyone eventually figures it out. Nobody is incapable.

I learned three foreign languages through a mix of intensive small-group and individual classroom instruction (10 weeks for 5 hours a day in Peace Corps training), immersion, and self-directed study.

In my experience, language is something that gets easier, then harder, then easier, then harder. The survival phrases come together after a few weeks and you start picking up on individual sounds and words, rather than the language sounding like a wall of gobelty-gook. Then after around six weeks you start being able to independently form sentence and express basic non-canned thoughts. After that, there is a long plateau, and for me, at around six months there is a sudden revelation and I quite suddenly become fluent enough to manage daily life with few hassles. Then there is another plateau, and maybe around the year mark another sudden rush of “OMG, I get this!” and I can suddenly have fairly complex conversations. For me, it’s really tough to get past “able to manage daily life” and into “complete fluency.” I’m not sure I’ve ever really managed it.

Learning a language, to me, is a nearly entirely unpleasant business. It’s boring and hard to spend two really tough hours trying to commit a tiny bit of language to memory. The daily progress is painfully slow, there are periods where your skills seem to regress, and the initial rewards are fairly modest. It’s tough to congratulate yourself too much for finally, after weeks, being able to successfully locate a bathroom. But the knowledge you learn builds on itself and unexpected ways, and when you hit those breakthroughs, it’s really, really cool. But the daily work of it? Painful, frustrating and headache inducing. And you can’t slack or just go through the motions. You need to be using your full brain power every time you sit down to leanr.

My advice is to focus on one language first, and choose the one that you will have the most authentic opportunities to use (in the US, this would probably be Spanish.) Language is primarily a communication tool, and it’s easiest to learn when it’s used as one. Once you’ve already learned a second language, the next ones come a lot easier.

I believe a month of immersion is worth about six months in the classroom, and all classroom learning has a point of diminishing returns. But immersion alone will only teach you to speak about daily life. To build actual fluency, immersion should be supplemented by self-directed grammar study and targeted tutoring. I would meet with a tutor twice a week. During this time, we’d focus on a subject that had come up in my daily life (for example, getting a package from the post office.) We’d start with vocabulary related to the subject and a grammar construction, and continue to conversation. Then we’d vary the conversation, using the words and grammar in new and unexpected ways, combining it with my previous knowledge. You need to hit all of the stages of learning- memorization, application (drills) and integration (using it with previous knowledge in novel contexts.) Then I’d go home with a vocab sheet and some grammar drills, to be reviewed at our next session. And of course, I’d always try out what we had just learned.

Obviously immersion and private tutoring isn’t going to be a solution for everyone. I’d just remember that it’s okay to draw from a variety of sources, There is no need to go down any one individual language program. As long as you do something every day, be it listening to a podcast, writing some grammar drills, or talking to an online language partner, you will move forward.

Missed the %$#!! edit window. That would be “Boa sorte” :smack:

Ah well, you get what you pay for…

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