I like “heterosexist” myself; I dislike “straight” as an antonym for “gay” because gay ain’t crooked, straight’s usual opposite.
You’re not just wrong, you’re sadly, horribly, tragically wrong.
No, there are differences between heterosexist and homophobic.
Sheesh.
“Homophobia” as defined by Merriam-Webster means “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.” Heterosexism, however, is the implied superiority of heterosexuality by the system where it is the assumed norm; it is “the prejudicial privileging of heterosexuality as a dominant cultural institution over minority sexualities, which are in turn “inferiorized” and even “demonized” by comparison with the heterosexual ideal.” (quoted from Family Pride Canada)
Now does “homophobia” come from “homo-” and “-phobia?” Obviously. By that logic it ought to mean strictly “fear of homosexuals” (or, more accurately, “fear of men,” but that’s for another discussion). But, for the purposes of the language we use here to communicate, it is the homosexual version of racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, and what have you. Are there etymologically better-suited words? Presumably, but we don’t use them. We do not use the word “homosexism” (which actually has been used the same as heterosexism, except reversed for the homosexual norm) or “homoism,” we use “homophobia.”
Deal with it. I’m tired of having this conversation.
Esprix
Here’s another one:
Fortunately, our laws aren’t based on the Bible, and our society has rejected many of the precepts of Biblical morality.
In your last post you said that…
I think you may need to seriously pick up the pace on this humility project of yours. You may or may not realize the absolute depth and breath of the heaping helping of fresh, steaming ignorance about biology and genetics you have demonstrated with this statement. People in this discussion thread are now going to assume that you are poorly or minimally educated in the sciences or simply not very bright. You need to watch this tendency to wander into the deep end of the rhetorical pool if you’re relying on arguments like these to make your case, or you’re going to drown.
In your last statement
you also showed a strong tendency to want to go the “aw shucks”, then duck and cover martyr route, which is not very useful if you intend on making a solid argument for your position. You are not a martyr. You are simply a man who is not that well informed about the details of the positions he is taking. You need to do some readings in basic biology and genetic inheritance or you are going to embarrass yourself in these discussions and resulting taunts pointing this out will eventually piss you off.
I think you are curious, reasonably intelligent person and genuinely want to learn. In the short term you might want to post a little less and listen a little more. If you are serious about wanting humility, in my experience education is the surest route to maximizing humility, as it seems the more one knows the more acutely aware one becomes of the magnitude of what they don’t know.
Stick around. You’ll learn something. I gah-roon-tee it!
OK Since I was the first to object to your original MPSIMS thread Homebrew. I feel I must Explain my position.
I care NOT what mag was left!
I DON’T CARE!! I don’t care who went to the county fair,Who is having great sex(bi-sexual,gay, lesbian,heterosexual, or otherwise!)
I don’t CARE who is democratic, republican,Independent or otherwise!
Believe it or not I AM a very social person, and I have NOTHING against gay or lesbian relationships, however as Astro stated earlier in this thread, I think you are opening yourself to MUCH abuse as I live in texas myself and have seen it in action.
My objection was to bring it into the workplace… As I stated in the other thread I did pick up a copy of THE ADVOCATE and found it interesting, but I can see how some east texas rednecks would find it out of line.
Actually my point was(as uneloquently as I presented it!) Was that politics,religion and sexual orientation have NO place in the workplace!
Feel free to blast me now…
I met two “fundie” lesbians, like in :
“He’s a real man. A man who like boys” (long dispising glance towards the representants of the inferior race of men who like girls)
“Why would we go there for the week-end? They’re all straights! What could you talk about with straight people?”
“Why do you insist on seeing your straight friends”?
What is it with the wannabe martyrs this week? I mean, please folks; if you want to use a strategy to death, pick a better one. The old “anyone who addresses my argument is attacking me” is transparent, at best.
I’ll make you a deal, Craneop. Go through a month at your workplace, and never mention your sexual orientation. Not once. Don’t mention your wife or girlfriend or sexual partner by name, or refer to them using a gender-specific pronoun. Don’t wear a wedding ring, don’t keep your lover’s picture on your desk, don’t talk about what you did on the weekend; you may have to reveal who you did it with.
Do that for a month solid, no breaks. Then come back and tell me what it felt like. Tell me how hard it was. Then tell me what place my sexual orientation has at work.
Because, as we all know, we all go to work to work, and, as we are all so deftly able to turn off our humanity while working (a la Data from “Star Trek”) that, surely, not a single shred of our humanity comes across while we are at work.
Right?
:rolleyes:
Esprix
Actually MrVisible, I do not wear a wedding ring…And also though I am married I do not advertise or promote ANY sexual preferences. My business at home STAYS at home.
As I have stated before, My religious.sexual and or political thoughts are better left at home.
That was the basis for the original objection…
Take my opinion as you will…I STILL think you are being paid to do a job… Not to try to find like thinking people in the workplace.
So, Craneop… how many people that you work with know that you’re married? None? Some? Half? Most? All?
LOOK… I am NOT trying to turn this into a Gay VS Straight debate… Did you even READ my responses??
DAMN talk about knee jerk reactions!!
As stated before I DON’T CARE about your politics,Sexual orientation,or religion!
I have my own life I am trying to live, I DON’T CARE if you are gay, white, green , yellow,or black. I have a job to do and I will do it to the best of my abilities. That is what they pay me for…As long as YOUR job is done we are fine!!
Leave the other agendas at home!!
Cran, you’re missing the point by a mile. Answer his question.
Esprix
Craneop, I do see the point you are making – but take a good look at his. If you could be fired if anyone found out you had a wife at home, if they found out you were single and went out on a date with a woman, if you and your wife were noticed going into a restaurant or to church and holding hands while you did it – in such circumstances, would not your having a job and having to keep a major portion of your life hidden to keep that job begin to grate on you? That, not whether or not one might or might not speak of one’s outside-work life while at work, is the key to what’s being said.
Exactly, Polycarp. Craneop, we’re talking about job security, and in many cases, physical safety being threatened because of a mere mention of an SO. There is a huge difference between choosing to NOT discuss your homelife at work and being FORBIDDEN to discuss it.