Why is AIDS a heterosexual disease in Africa?

How come AIDS is rampant among heterosexuals in Africa, but is primarily limited to gay men and intravenous drug users here in the US? Are sexual practices different in Africa, making transmission between heterosexual partners easier there than here? (Not to put too fine a point on it, but is anal sex more common among heterosexuals in Africa than here?)

I am not trolling; I am just trying to find out if anyone here knows the reason for the difference. This topic is so politicized, it almost seems taboo to ask questions like this.

I know you’re not trolling (you’ve been around here for too long), but where did you get the idea that the later part of your question is in any way factual?

Fact is, I believe that heterosexuakl woman are getting the disease more in this country now than any other group, or they will soon since that group has grown faster in recent years than any other.


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Well, I would like to see some hard numbers on that Satan. While I understand the number of heterosexual victims to be increasing, it is also my understanding that heterosexual, non-drug-using victims are still a tiny minority in the US. If I am wrong, I will accept correction, but I would need to see some absolute numbers. (Saying that the number of heterosexual cases has “doubled” for example, may be statistically meaningless if the absolute numbers are very small.)

It is also my understanding that female-to-male transmission (during vaginal intercourse) is much more difficult than transmission during anal intercourse. Am I mistaken on that point? Does anyone have the numbers.

AIDS has been around in the US for quite a long time now. Why isn’t it showing the same patterns of transmission here as in Africa?

Like I said, I am not trolling. I have absolutely no anti-gay agenda. I am just trying to get an answer to a question that has been bugging me.

Spoke- I’ve seen some information on that subject, but I can’t document it right now. However, this is what I remember.

1 - It’s possible that the AIDS strain in Africa is different and more aggressive than what we have here. They don’t perform the sophisticated DNA tests that we do, so they don’t know.

2 - AIDS is easier to catch if there are other STDs present. The public health protocols that we have to deal with syphilis and so forth don’t exist there.

3 - I can’t remember where I read this and I hope I don’t have it garbled - it appears that some diseases that are fairly common in some areas of Africa may cause a cross-reaction in the cheap AIDS screening tests that they use, so that the numbers of AIDS victims are inflated. I don’t know how widespread this is, because it’s certain that there is a terrible problem with AIDS in Africa, but it would be nice to think that it’s not as bad as previously reported.

According to the Mid-1999 surveillance report you can find at this CDC site, for the period July 1998-June 1999, homosexual men represented 38% of new HIV/AIDS cases (34% for homosexual activity only and 4% for homosexual men who also used i.v. drugs) in the U.S., as opposed to 15% for heterosexually transmitted cases. Overall, for the July 1998-June 1999 period, 23% were female. The cumulative total for homosexual victims is 54%.

There’s way too much info for me to summarize, but you can go to that site and download the report (requires Acrobat) and see if I read the stats correctly.

SouthernXYL wrote:

That makes a lot of sense. I can see where AIDS might be more easily transmitted during vaginal intercourse if there are open sores present. Kinda gross to think about, but that may be part of the answer.

beatle, I think I am missing something. Your numbers don’t add up to 100%.

There is a thread re this issue, or basicly are AIDS cases being overcounted in Africa. Apparently the needles used for inoculations are often reused, just cleaned. this leads to a # of AIDS case. Also, in Africa a lot of men have Homosexual sex, without being 'Homosexuals", and do not admit to the act. thus, these are all counted as Hetero. Even here in the US, many claim to be 100% hetero, who are not.

“Normal” hetero/vaginal sex is extremely unlikely to allow the spread of AIDS. However, an open sore can enable vaginal sex to be a way of spreading aids. Thus, as Syphlis is rather common in African prostitutes, there can be more chance of a Hetreo act spreading AIDS. This is also causing AIDS to be spread amoung the clients of “crack whores” here in the USA.

Note, homosexual sex, per se, is no more dangerous than hetero sex, but it is Anal sex (recieving) that is most dangerous as far as spreading AIDS(thru sex)goes. that goes for Hetero Anal sex, also. There is often small amounts of ruptures & bleeding. My first experience w/ a freind dying of Aids was a great guy I worked with in Hollywood. His big “weakness”/kick was going to the Gay baths & being sodomized over & over by multiple partners. He was one of the early victims of AIDS. sad.

No, those numbers don’t add up to 100%, they were selected categories extracted from the whole. I didn’t include (and I have since closed that report so I don’t have it to look at) numbers for heterosexual i.v. drug users, hemophiliacs, transmission via transfusion, heterosexual sex with an i.v. drug user and unexplained; I may have left some categories out.

The table I was looking at is, IIRC, on page 11.

The point was to provide some numbers related just who has HIV/AIDS in this country now. While thier numbers are coming down relative to the whole, homosexuals are still disproportionately affected; and, while I don’t have enough data to stab at a trend, it does not appear that heterosexual women are becoming infected at a greater rate than any other group. Unless it somehow becomes an issue, I’m not going to go get that document again, but I seem to recall that a very large part of the heterosexual female infections are via i.v. drug use.

OK, I found a summary of AIDS statistics through the end of 1998 here: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/exposure.htm

If I am crunching the numbers correctly, risk factors were identified in 623,167 cases. Out of those cases, 543,384 were either homosexual men, i.v. drug users, or both. That’s 87% by my count. (And I’m sorry for lumping all of those together, but I am tying this back to my OP.)

Meanwhile, women who apparently were infected during heterosexual intercourse accounted for 43,128 cases (or 6.9% of cases where risk factors were reported). Men who apparently were infected during intercourse with women accounted for 23,361 cases (or 3.7% of cases where risk factors were reported).

(There are other groups I am not including, such as those infected by blood transfusion.)

Those numbers seem to back up my statement in the OP.

OK, I guess I am going to go look at both of those reports.

There is a 1988 Newsday report, Sex and AIDS, which gives a good overview of the different transmission rates in the U.S. and Africa. As others noted, the existence of open sores from other Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) is thought to play a major role in the higher heterosextual rate in Africa, although this article covers some additional cultural and medical differences.

There is a detailed report on U.S. transmission rates at www.health.gov. According to this report, the percentage of new female cases rose from 7% in 1983, to “nearly 23%” in 1998.

In some parts of Africa clitoridectomy and infibulation are widespread and probably contribute to AIDS; in fact, they could scarcely help but do so.

OK, get out your guns for my execution! I suppose after I am suitably flamed for not posting the proper PC response, I will have to cite my source. But before I submit my source, I will see how many knee-jerks I can elicit.

First, I detect some subtle, perhaps not overtly intended racism here. Am I to understand that Africans are monumentally sexually loose? That they are irresponsibly promiscuous compared to us civilized decent and clean westerners? Well, I don’t think so.

The gist of my response is that an African with certain WIDELY prevalent and historically common symptioms of local diseases are “CLASSED” [READ: NOT CLINICALLY HIV-ANTIBODY TESTED} as HIV-positive merely through bookkeeping entries because they fit in a certain LOOSELY-DEFINED profile (the looser the definition, the more of a potential WORLD EPIDEMIC CATASTROPHE we can make of it!). I note today, 4/30/00, that the Clinton administration has declared this just such a world threat. Well, declaring something doesn’t make it so. But it does open the way for any kind of government action you like.

Remember the government warnings of devasting epidemics among heterosexual couples in the US? Just so much bull crap as it turns out.

But, before you all “Duesberg” me, let’s all do some research and find out how in the general case someone is classed as “HIV-positive” in Africa. How common are the clinical antibody tests? And how common are people arbitrarily classed as "HIV-positive because they fit a profile, but WERE NOT IN FACT HIV-TESTED. It costs money to test millions in African, which has scarcer medical resources to begin with.

(I read recently that the government of S.Africa is protesting the

“well,he-fits-the-profile-that-is described-right-here-on-this-clipboard-so-Ill-just-check-him-off-as-HIV-that’s-one-more-in-this-epidemic!”

type of HIV-classification. Apparently because it is resulting in misallocation of scarce medical resources? I’m not sure of the specific reason. Yeah, yeah, I know this is also unattributed, maybe I can find out where I read it, or maybe someone of you can remember.)

It is true that some experts theorize that some substrains of HIV-1 found in Africa are more easily spread heterosexually than type B which is found mostly in the US. But this hasn’t been proven. For a good article about HIV in Africa, see the current (May) issue of Scientific American. There are other co-factors which facilitate the transmission of HIV heterosexually in Africa, including the prevalence of non-treated ulcerative sexually transmitted diseases. But some parts of the US are seeing a similar trend. In New Jersey over a third of the HIV/AIDS cases are female. It seems to get into the hetero. population via drug use and then spreads sexually, too. For more info., go to http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu
Jill

One of the problems with the way with the facts are disseminated on the AIDS epidemic is the semantic difference between an “AIDS Case” and an 'HIV Infection". They are not one and the same. AIDS is a disease brought on by HIV, but being HIV possitive doesn’t mean you have AIDS (yet). This discrepency is noted in the report at: http://www.health.gov/healthypeople/Document/HTML/Volume1/13HIV.htm

AIDS Cases are the result of HIV infection, but because the virus has such a long incubation period full blown AIDS doesn’t manifest itself for years after infection. As for the progression of the disease in America, it just so happens that one of the first US Demographics that HIV infected when it arrived in the States was the homosexual population. These people (being the first infected) were naturally the first people to get full blown AIDS (years after their initial HIV infection), and they are still high on the list in terms of new AIDS cases. But keep in mind that the infections that caused many of these cases occured before the alarm had been sounded and the public had been informed that this killer was on the prowl. It is likely that the new HIV infection rate among Gays has actually decreased as awareness among the gay population has risen and more and more gays are practicing safe sex and monogamy. On the other hand, the fact that AIDS cases in heterosexual women were up from 7% in 1983 to nearly 23% in 1998 would indicate that the HIV transmissions in this demographic were on the rise years before these AIDS cases were reported. This wouldn’t surprise me considering the false sense of security that was so pervasive among the heterosexual population at the outset of the epidemic. If the trend continued, one can extrapolate that we’ll prabably be seeing an even higher percentage of AIDS cases in the heterosexual demographic in the years to come. So be patient.

As for how many new HIV infections are occuring today and what demographics they affect, who knows for sure? Its easier to ascertain the number of new AIDS cases because they show up in the hospitals, but new HIV infections are much more difficult to count. Many people don’t get tested and can live for years oblivious of their HIV status. How are those people factored into the statistics? Is it an estimation game, or are they not factored in at all? To say the least, I’m very skeptical of the methodologies used in gathering data on this epidemic. I do recall reading that U.S. heterosexual HIV transmissions had surpassed homosexual transmissions years ago. I would not be surprised at all if that were the case

Oh, so if anyone disagrees with you or calls you to task for not revealing your “source”, then that person must necesserily be a knee-jerk, PC-nazi. Amazing how you can get in an ad hominem attack even before anyone argues with you.

What kind of hallucingens are you on? You say you are going to submit a source and then want us to find a citation to back up your wild ass guesses? Do your own damned research. Until then, thank-you for story time.

Peace.

Two articles from Salon:

http://www.salon.com/health/feature/2000/01/20/aids_zimbabwe/index.html - how an aversion to condoms and a move towards younger women is spreading HIV in Zimbabwe

http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge/world/1999/12/10/drysex/index.html - “Sub-Saharans’ disdain for vaginal wetness accelerates the plague.”

I personally don’t think I’m qualified to offer an opinion. The reports linked to above are interesting, I thought these articles might be of interest to others.

[[But keep in mind that the infections that caused many of these cases occured before the alarm had been sounded and the public had been informed that this killer was on the prowl.]]

But not so true anymore. Most people with HIV/AIDS nowadays were infected since most were aware of this virus, how it’s spread, and since testing was available. Not all, though. I know a few long-term survivors. I’m just saying that people are still being infected. Sexual behavior is complicated and hard to change though, even after watching friends and loved ones die from AIDS.

[[It is likely that the new HIV infection rate among Gays has actually decreased as awareness among the gay population has risen and more and more gays are practicing safe sex and monogamy.]]

True, but there is also evidence that there is an increase in unsafe sex among young gay males in some urban areas. We also see other diseases like gonorrhea making an upswing in the gay community. Who knows if it’s denial, fatalism, or what. In the Rocky mountain west, anyway, we don’t see any big decrease in cases in this population. Gay males continue to be the hardest hit - among newly diagnosed as well as those living with the disease (“Newly diagnosed” meaning newly tested, though they might have been infected some time ago in some cases). And we don’t see a big move toward heterosexual cases. But then we don’t have as big an epidemic in the injection drug using population, either.

[[On the other hand, the fact that AIDS cases in heterosexual women were up from 7% in 1983 to nearly 23% in 1998 would indicate that the HIV transmissions in this demographic were on the rise years before these AIDS cases were reported. This wouldn’t surprise me considering the false sense of security that was so pervasive among the heterosexual population at the outset of the epidemic.]]

In the US, at least, you find this move into the heterosexual population starting with an earlier move into the drug using population. It then spreads both ways. In the east and the south in particular it’s becoming more heterosexual - especially among non-white populations.

[[As for how many new HIV infections are occuring today and what demographics they affect, who knows for sure? Its easier to ascertain the number of new AIDS cases because they show up in the hospitals, but new HIV infections are much more difficult to count. Many people don’t get tested and can live for years oblivious of their HIV status. How are those people factored into the statistics?]]

HIV case reporting only reflects testing behavior, true. We are finding in my state that even after HIV became reportable we continue to get cases of end-stage AIDS cases reported. These are usually people who either avoided testing for HIV altogether (and so are being reported with HIV and AIDS at the same time) or tested a long time ago and delayed getting services until they were dying. It’s sad.

[[Is it an estimation game, or are they not factored in at all? To say the least, I’m very skeptical of the methodologies used in gathering data on this epidemic.]]

I would venture to say that the surveillance system for this disease is the best (and most secure) surveillance system for any disease or condition in the world. It is limited by the fact that some people who are infected avoid testing, but we also do seroprevalence testing (anonymous population-wide testing in sentinel sites), so we have a pretty good idea how much is out there. I doubt very much there would be a lot of surprises, anyway.

[[I do recall reading that U.S. heterosexual HIV transmissions had surpassed homosexual transmissions years ago. I would not be surprised at all if that were the case]]

In certain small, specific populations in the US that might be true. Worldwide half the cases are female, and it is definitely primarily a heterosexual disease. Central Africa is being devastated by it.

What I want to know is, what are the odds of catching HIV in various scenarios, such as:

Male to female/female to male

With condom/without condom

Partner has AIDS/partner randomly selected