Thank you. As your post tacitly acknowledges, if you go over anyone’s statements with a fine-toothed comb you will find a gaffe that can then be taken out of context and made to fit a negative narrative. The larger question is why is the right so obsessed with AOC, a junior member of Congress from NYC? And the answer is obvious her gender and race are threatening to what is a white nationalist authoritarian political movement. Such movements need enemies to mobilize their base. As I noted before, American conservatism is not aspirational, it is purely based on racism and fear and AOC is a new face of the enemy. I appreciate you having the maturity to concede the point.
[Nada, not worth it.]
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How do we know he was the party favorite, just because he was the incumbent? She does seem unusually politically correct when compared to the old white man she beat in the primary.
</devil’s advocate hat off>
That said, I suspect a big piece of her… appeal(?) to conservative media is that she ticks all the boxes that they view as stuff Democrats value above what they (conservative media) consider as actual substance:
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[li]Person of Color[/li][li]Female[/li][li]Foreign descent[/li][li]Socialist/extremely liberal[/li][li]Very outspoken[/li][/ul]
On top of it, she has virtually no political experience, or even life experience to speak of. She was a bartender for a few years, and then a campaign organizer for one campaign.
And now the left-wing media is tooting her horn big time and she’s pretty outspoken.
All of which combines in the right-wing media side of things to indicate a politician chosen more for what she signifies than what she actually is, which plays right into their opinions about political correctness and putting it ahead of what they consider right, etc…
For my part, I’m pretty skeptical of the political views of some twenty-something who’s never held a real job or political office before. My first thought is something along the lines of “Come back once you’ve held a real job and paid real taxes for a few years and we’ll see how you feel about that socialism.”
<devil’s advocate hat on>
How do we know he was the party favorite, just because he was the incumbent? She does seem unusually politically correct when compared to the old white man she beat in the primary.
</devil’s advocate hat off>
That said, I suspect a big piece of her… appeal(?) to conservative media is that she ticks all the boxes that they view as stuff Democrats value above what they (conservative media) consider as actual substance:
[ul]
[li]Person of Color[/li][li]Female[/li][li]Foreign descent[/li][li]Socialist/extremely liberal[/li][li]Very outspoken[/li][/ul]
On top of it, she has virtually no political experience, or even life experience to speak of. She was a bartender for a few years, and then a campaign organizer for one campaign.
And now the left-wing media is tooting her horn big time and she’s pretty outspoken.
All of which combines in the right-wing media side of things to indicate a politician chosen more for what she signifies than what she actually is, which plays right into their opinions about political correctness and putting it ahead of what they consider right, etc…
I’m not at all convinced that they’re threatened by her- if anything, she’s more of a lightning rod for ridicule / pointing out all that they think is wrong with the Democratic party/left-wing. (“What kind of idiots elect a twenty-something socialist hispanic woman who’s never held a real job in her life?”, type stuff)
For my part, I’m pretty skeptical of the political views of some twenty-something who’s never held a real job or political office before. My first thought is something along the lines of “Come back once you’ve held a real job and paid real taxes for a few years and we’ll see how you feel about that socialism.”
We know because he was on the Committee on Ways and Means and was the Democratic Caucus Chairman. You don’t get those jobs just for being an incumbent.
Well, he was (is?) the chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party.
As the New York Times puts it:
That would seem to indicate that the local branch of the party considered him the favorite, IMHO.
Eh, I get most of my news from Yahoo news, which is a news aggregate that is probably 90% “objective” (hah) or blatantly liberal, and I see them jizzing over her in the metaphorical sense all the time. It’s not just conservate.
Are you recommending that people need to have a “real job” before they can run for political office? Hmmm, interesting idea. Of course, she did have a job, and she did pay taxes, so, not sure what you are trying to say here.
What do you consider a “real job”? Anyway, a job that you have to work with people for long hours for low pay, or a job that is gifted to you by your family connections where you sit on your butt and tell other people to work harder?
Do you have the same advice for someone like say Trump, and insist that he needs to get a real job and pay real taxes before he may have any sort of opinion on the state of the economy?
BTW, I know quite a number of bartenders that would be quite interested to know that they’ve never held a real job. Funny thing is, is that most of them are very conservative and probably Trump supporters, and would probably agree with everything that you said about her, up until you mentioned her profession not qualifying her to have an opinion. Do me a favor, and continue to express your opinion of bartending as not being a real profession while criticizing democrats, you may very well get us some converts.
You know, k9bfriender, not everyone who dislikes AOC is a Trump supporter.
I’m not at all saying that bartending isn’t a profession. Far from it. Real bartenders and mixologists are every bit as much craftspeople as carpenters, butchers, chefs, etc…
By “real job”, I mean work in a career job, not basically as a bartender after graduating college. That’s not a career, that’s finding a way to pay the rent while looking for something better. It’s life experience, but it’s not the only kind of life experience or even enough of it that I feel someone running for national-level political office ought to have.
In essence the people in that district elected an inexperienced person who’s a step from being called a kid.
You noticed a lady has visual appeal!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:
I don’t think that’s it. I think it’s because she’s young, she’s explicitly socialistic, she’s made a gaffe or two, and we live in an always on hyperpartisan age.
Why do elected officials need to hold what you consider a career job? There are a lot of people who work long-term in these jobs that you disparage. Are they not worthy of representation too? I think it’s quite useful to have a broader range of experiences representing us, not only people who followed a similar track to you.
Is she though? Do a lot of men find her “runway model attractive?” I don’t think she’s unattractive, but I do find the claims that she is extremely attractive a bit bizarre.
Regardless, “Sexually-driven Republican men might be convinced to vote Democrat because she’s just that hot” is probably my favorite theory so far
When I imagine a broad range of life experience, I don’t really put martini making near the top of my list.
But it doesn’t matter. There’s no actual qualifications for the job and now she’s probably got it for as long as she wants it. So like it or not, Congresswoman is her first real job and probably a better use of her BA in Economics and International relations. I’m sure her mom agrees with me there.
Remember how all those hot blooded young men became vegetarians when those Pamela Anderson PETA ads came out? Me neither.
Being young and outspoken, she represents the future. A future that we will almost certainly be moving in the general direction of, one which terrifies the right. They do not want to be dragged there, so anyone who seeks to pull the tiller directing us that way must be torn down as much as possible.
She scares them.
Of course not. But living paycheck to paycheck with poor or no benefits is unfortunately a scenario for a large part of the population, and it is very rare to find a politician who has experienced that. More first-hand knowledge of how government policies affect people in that situation is a good thing.
Do you have a list of occupations that you don’t consider a “real” job? Or is it pretty much “jobs that aren’t like mine”?
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How do we know he was the party favorite, just because he was the incumbent? She does seem unusually politically correct when compared to the old white man she beat in the primary.
</devil’s advocate hat off>
He was the chair of the House Democratic Caucus.
He was spoken of as being Speaker of the House if the Democrats took back the House.
His campaign raised over $3 million while she only had $300,000.
It’s like you think you know what kind of job I have. Fascinating.