why is it that African Americans never seem to be charged with hate crimes?

There is no “Trayvon sensation.” Currently, the issue regarding Tayvon Martin figures prominently in the news, so people who are acting on racial motives are likely to invoke his name during the violence. (Just as people who beat up people from the Middle East invoked 9/11 for a year or so, regardless of their actual motives.)

What does “healing and diversity training” have to do with gangs and criminal behavior of people in their teens and twenties? Gangs have been around for decades. You appear to be assigning “race” to both the actors and their motivations and you have still failed to demonstrate that race is a component of these events.

Well, your evidence constradicts your claim. At least one incident involved only white people–as noted in your blogger’s own text–and yet it never made national news.

Having failed to provide a scintilla of evidence for your other racial claims, I will simply gratuitously deny your gratuitous assertion on this point until I see actual evidence.

I would not be surprised to discover that there was a high level of black participation in these events, but only because most of these events have been urban and I would suspect that most of the violence is carried out by poor kids and many urban poor are black.

So you appear to be basing your whole argument on your only selective cherry picking of events and you have still failed to provide any evidence for your claims.

How ridiculous.

Regards,
Shodan

Uh oh, tom

YOU’VE BEEN SCHOOLED!
SHODAN-STYLE

I went for some evidence. I went to YouTube and put in “flash mob” as a search term. Here are the first five videos:

Chicago Flash Mob Dance
Christmas Flash Mob by Journey of Faith at South Bay Galleria
The T-Mobile Dance
Christmas Food Court Flash Mob, Hallelujah Chorus
Flash Mob at the Ohio Union 5/3/2010

Anyone who wants to check them will see that none of them are even close to having 50% black participants, much less 90% or 98%.

Cite?

I believe you are wrong. I went through many of the links (at least 50) on your list and while it appears that a larger percentage of those crimes were perpetrated by African Americans than one would expect given that they make up only 13% percent of the population, I could not say that they commited even 50% of the assaults. I also think that the FBI statistics that black rabbit linked to answered the thread. Finally, I think your inability to address the FBI statistics coupled with your inability to produce a decent cite or even understand why your citations are rubbish makes you fair game for the kind of mocking that seems to be occurring. Seriously, I could but together a web page with thousands of cases of white on black crime, but that would not mean that these types of crimes were the majority of crimes committed or even that they were all that common.

Why don’t you do some real research and back up your claims with real data. The FBI keeps lots of data on crimes in the US and much of that is available on their website. For instance, it took me all of 30 seconds on this phone of mine to find out that there were 1.2 million violent crimes committed in the US in 2010 including an assault every 40 seconds. Now it’s nice that you found a website that documents less than 0.01% of those crimes, but that hardly means that the sample you found is representative of the whole.

All that said, I do have to say that this trend of flash robs is disturbing and deserves its own thread. I wonder if this is a new thing or if events like this have always occurred but didn’t get press coverage. According to statistics, violent crime in this country has been declining dramatically and I think it is obvious that the internet has been seriously modifying how and what kind of information is available to us. It makes me wonder if these types of wilding events have always occurred.

True. Which pretty much means that there is still no evidence against my statements–and now less chance that there ever will be.

His post is his cite–as in, it pretty well provides an example of his claim.

Here’s yet another story of black mobs beating up on a white couple. It’s covered in local outlets, however not at the national level with cbs, abc, msnbc, nor has Jessie, Al, or Barry dashed to the tv cameras.:

Wave after wave of young men surged forward to take turns punching and kicking their victim:
http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2012/05/beating-church-and-brambleton

Of course no matter how many times this happens, no matter how long the list of articles grow (given upthread) - some people will play ostrich (or play word games as shown upthread)
I’ll give it a couple days to see if any of the national outlets covers this or the overall trend of whites being ganged up on by blacks.

As it stands Ive provided supporting evidence that today’s national media doesnt cover black on white crime with the same vigor as white on black crime - and not one person here has provided even the tiniest shred of contradictory evidence (hostile replies, irrelevant replies, historical accounts from 20 years ago, and fbi data are not evidence).

The bottom line is the OP and many people are of the opinion that hate crimes arent leveled against blacks but it’s a false assumption based on lack of mainstream national media coverage. Blacks do indeed get changed with hate crimes.

This thread is the cite.

What’s that phrase …something about trees and a forest?

Because that’s exactly the kind of thing Obama does when the races are reversed. Darn you, race huckster, Obama!!! :smiley:

I have to laugh at this. Historical events and FBI data aren’t evidence, a few anecdotal stories on some guy’s blog in which the races of the victims and perpetrators aren’t always black-on-white count as evidence.

Beyond that, how reputable is this source of yours?

It appears to be an Op-Ed from an online news website. Is this a reputable news outlet or just Virginia’s version of The Daily Caller?

No, the phrase is something about needing to look in a mirror.

You are the one who refuses to see any evidence that does not conform to your own pre-conceived notions. I already pointed out that while several mob attacks that have not been nationally reported have very little evidence in your citations that they were black-on-white attacks, the one attack that was clearly labeled white-on-white has also not been reported nationally. As long as you cherry-pick the events that you think make your case while ignoring all other evidence, you are failing to actually make your case.

Somebody remind me - why are we pretending to be outraged about that?

It appears the police aren’t even sure the attack occurred. They’re still looking for suspects in the alleged attack. All the information about the incident comes from the Op-Ed piece. Every other story ultimately quotes that one. It’s not being covered beyond a couple paragraphs locally because there’s nothing to report yet. “An attack may or may not have happened; police investigating.” How exciting.

Furthermore the Op-Ed is rather bizarre. Both victims are reporters, but unable to get their story out? The paper they work for suppresses the story but lets a third reporter write an Op-Ed about it?

I don’t, but since I suspect it’s a scenario you’re itching to try out, maybe you can claim it’s in the name of science.

Just pointing out unbalanced coverage by national media, I didnt say I was outraged, hell Im just amused.

There’s enough in that long list of attacks covered by local media to support my claim. Of course, even if there are a thousand more attacks added by the end of the year I wouldnt be suprised in the least to see the same individuals say there’s nothing to see.

When one of the national news stations puts one of the these types of stories up and plays it repeatedly over and over, ad nauseam like with Trayvon, then the defenders might have a leg to stand on.

reported.

You poor persecuted kid.

Many of them are black on white - with the attackers even shouting racist remarks . How many does it take to be newsworthy, a hundred, a thousand?
We can see it only takes one instance of the reverse (and with little to no evidence to support it) to be newsworthy.

I’ll revisit this at the end of the year. Maybe coverage by then will be more balanced by then (however signs of it arent good).