Why is it that only Northern Europeans have been programmed to make themselves into a minority?

[Anne_Neville]

Because Britain and Scandinavia, and countries whose cultures derive from them, have bland food. We want better food, and what better way to get it than to have people from those other cultures with the better food come to us and cook it for us? I suppose we could travel to their countries for the better food, or learn to cook it ourselves, but this way is so much more convenient.

[msmith537]

In all fairness, a lot of those nationalities the OP listed BARELY count as “White”.

[BrainGlutton]

@msmith537

In all fairness, a lot of those nationalities the OP listed BARELY count as “White”.

Especially those Swedes! (See post #69.)

[clairobscur]

Me not understand OP. Hating white heritage doubleplusgood. Making whites minority doubleplusgood. OP nonsense. Me back main program.

[Capitaine_Zombie]

@BrainGlutton

Especially those Swedes! (See post #69.)

Franklin must have been on drugs to put Swedes, Germans (minus Saxons), French, Spaniards, Italians and Russians in the same category to start with. But that that category would be “swarthy”, you can see that more than a few of the Founding Fathers really belonged in Arkham.

@clairobscur

Me not understand OP. Hating white heritage doubleplusgood. Making whites minority doubleplusgood. OP nonsense. Me back main program.

You cant understand, you’re not a Northern European dude (oh, wait, seems that acording to the OP you are. Which is weird. Why exclude Spain, Portugal, and Italy from the outrage but not France???).

[RaleighRally]

@BrainGlutton

Especially those Swedes! (See post #69.)

I am pretty sure Franklin was referring to the Swiss. This is kind of a very usual slip of the tongue.

Anyhow, whiteness is not the topic here.

[Gyrate]

@BrainGlutton

Especially those Swedes! (See post #69.)

Damn squareheads.

[RaleighRally]

@Anne_Neville

Because Britain and Scandinavia, and countries whose cultures derive from them, have bland food. We want better food, and what better way to get it than to have people from those other cultures with the better food come to us and cook it for us? I suppose we could travel to their countries for the better food, or learn to cook it ourselves, but this way is so much more convenient.

We have mcdonalds, burgerking and cocacola all over the place, but no hordes of American refugees! (only a handful hippies who deserted the Vietnam war)

I think you have to come up with something better.

[RaleighRally]

@Gyrate

Damn squareheads.

You are wrong. It only applies to Norwegians and Germans according to this picture: File:Ripley map of cephalic index in Europe.png - Wikimedia Commons

[Mighty_Girl]

@RaleighRally

We have mcdonalds, burgerking and cocacola all over the place, but no hordes of American refugees! (only a handful hippies who deserted the Vietnam war)

I think you have to come up with something better.

Trust me, in the list of reasons to emigrate to the US *“food” does not rate very highly. I can see someone listing food in their reasons to move to France, or even Thailand, but Burger King? No way.

*I am aware that US cuisine =/= McDonalds. The OP may not.

[Anne_Neville]

@RaleighRally

We have mcdonalds, burgerking and cocacola all over the place, but no hordes of American refugees! (only a handful hippies who deserted the Vietnam war)

I think you have to come up with something better.

But it’s clearly easy to learn how to make McDonald’s or Burger King food. It’s done by low-skilled, low-paid people here in the US. The people in other countries who want that kind of food don’t have to let Americans immigrate to get it. We’re willing and able to train their own low-skilled people to do it.

[Kyomara]

Wait, RaleighRally, you still haven’t responded to these two excellent posts, which make similar points:

@Acsenray

There is another key difference. Countries like China and Korea have a significant history of being subject to heavy foreign influence, colonialist mercantilism, or straight up military subjugation. The Japanese, fearing an imminent military occupation, took preemptive action and cut off the country from the rest of the world for two centuries.

The West, on the other hand, has for centuries prospered as a result of open relationships with other countries, at first because it was in a dominant role militarily and economically.

The post-WWII immigration wave has done much to sustain the scientific and economic prosperity of the West, which has benefited from the Asian “brain drain.” To the extent that political policies cut off this cycle, the West will begin a downward slide, hastening the economic domination of the Chinese.

@Acid_Lamp

Leaving aside the vast differences in culture and history of those disparate nations, which in itself is enough to justify all manner of conflicts on immigration policy, They all are entitled to form their own governmental policies. It’s not as if there is a great cabal of secret people “teaching” countries about anything.

Let’s leave Israel aside since it is a complicated can of worms and use simpler comparisons. Why don’t we compare two countries with similar conditions, the largest variable is population and physical size: Japan and Iceland.

Both are island nations sharing a similar climate and a heavy fishing industry. Both have highly developed first world standards, and both use and produce high end technologies. Both are culturally homogenous to a large degree, and both have their own distinct culture and language which they expect to be honored. To varying degrees both are culturally insular.

I would argue that difference on immigration policy stems from history. The Japanese have done fairly well for themselves as a nation throughout history, occasionally reaching limited Empire status. They have not had a real need historically speaking to play very nice with others, or to trade widely for basic goods. They are self-sufficient and isolated. This naturally produces a culture that will not be overly welcoming or tolerant of different ways of doing things. Their way has been FINE for centuries, why change?

Iceland has always been a small country. It has been held under Danish rule for quite a long time, and independent for a short while, historically speaking. Unlike the Japanese, Icelanders are descended from settlers, farmers, and traders used to ranging a long way and dealing with many disparate cultures. They traded for many goods despite their self sufficiency and maintained cultural ties with the mainland. This has produced a culture that understands that playing nice with others gains them far more profits then what they eke out on their own. There, people are expected to assimilate to a certain degree, but they welcome new foods, music, dress, and goods to their home culture while maintaining a strong sense of their core principles. They have taken a more balanced approach than the Japanese because it is beneficial for them to do so.

Unless you are going to argue this as a racial issue, I don’t see how you fail to understand that different circumstances produce different results.

These are the most meaningful arguments against your OP. Please address.

[RaleighRally]

@orcenio

You seem to be editing out a few key points:

[ul]
[li]Northern European descendants are the stewards of their respective countries (US later referred to as being one of them).[/li][li]Northern European descendants undergo lifelong “programming” of self-hate.[/li][li]This self-hate being manifested in strives to insure that the “Northern European descendant” ethnicity become minorities “within their own countries.”[/li][li]Another part of “the programming” is that Northern European descendants are (erroneously) taught that:[/li][LIST]
[li]“Slavery was primarily an all white-affair.”[/li][li]“Nazi-Germany is a natural result of white nationalism.”[/li][li]“and so on” (bastards!).[/li][/ul]
[li]while in reality:[ul][/li][li]“The slavery” was going on for centuries by mainly Arab merchants.[/li][li]Northern Europeans ended “the slavery” world wide.[/li][li]“Whites” fought a war to stop slavery.[/li][li]“Whites” fought a war to stop Nazi Germany.[/li][/ul]
[/LIST]

Thanks orcenio. Another thing I might add is the obsession with the Nazi-concentration camps. Northern European descendants are never taught in school that these camps origin from the Brits, in their war against civilians in the Boer-War. Do not click this link if you are sensitive: File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg - Wikipedia
Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these British concentration camps.

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

Uh… so what?

[Batfish]

NVM

[Lemur866]

Aren’t the British Northern European?

[Ibn_Warraq]

@RaleighRally

Thanks orcenio. Another thing I might add is the obsession with the Nazi-concentration camps. Northern European descendants are never taught in school that these camps origin from the Brits, in their war against civilians in the Boer-War. Do not click this link if you are sensitive: File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg - Wikipedia
Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these British concentration camps.

So then concentration camps were invented by “white” people.

Incidentally why is “white nationalism” so important to you. I’ve had several white girlfriends, more than a few of whom may have been attracted to me because I’m not white, but I’ve never understood this fear so many white people have of non-whites.

Could you explain it to me.

Is it a result of anxiety that white women may find black and brown men more sexually appealing?

[RaleighRally]

@Kyomara

Wait, RaleighRally, you still haven’t responded to these two excellent posts, which make similar points:

[QUOTE=Acsenray]

There is another key difference. Countries like China and Korea have a significant history of being subject to heavy foreign influence, colonialist mercantilism, or straight up military subjugation. The Japanese, fearing an imminent military occupation, took preemptive action and cut off the country from the rest of the world for two centuries.

The West, on the other hand, has for centuries prospered as a result of open relationships with other countries, at first because it was in a dominant role militarily and economically.

The post-WWII immigration wave has done much to sustain the scientific and economic prosperity of the West, which has benefited from the Asian “brain drain.” To the extent that political policies cut off this cycle, the West will begin a downward slide, hastening the economic domination of the Chinese.

These are the most meaningful arguments against your OP. Please address.
[/QUOTE]

@Acsenray You are wrong. The West has never indulged in large scale immigration until the 1950s. It is possible to prosper without importing impoverished people from the third world. Both the West and Japan are examples of this. Immigration of poor people to welfare countries just costs a lot of money and makes social capital dwindle. Relating Acid Lamp, I asked her to do a comparison between Japan and Great Britain instead, because comparing little Iceland with Japan is a bit lame, to say the least.

[RaleighRally]

@Really_Not_All_That_Bright

Uh… so what?

I just wanted to show how they consistently are trying to make the Germans look bad. The Germans themselves are a bit tired of this too:

The German ambassador has attacked history teaching in British schools, claiming it fuels xenophobia by focusing solely on his country’s Nazi past.

History teaching in UK stokes xenophobia, says German envoy | UK news | The Guardian

I must point out though that I do not like the Nazis at all. Especially their horrific treatment of non-Germanics and the Holocaust. Their plan for Sweden was not nice either:

In April 1942, Goebbels expressed similar views in his diary, writing that Germany should have occupied the country [Sweden] during its campaign in the north, as “this state has no right to national existence anyway”

Greater Germanic Reich - Wikipedia

[Anne_Neville]

@RaleighRally

Thanks orcenio. Another thing I might add is the obsession with the Nazi-concentration camps. Northern European descendants are never taught in school that these camps origin from the Brits, in their war against civilians in the Boer-War. Do not click this link if you are sensitive: File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg - Wikipedia
Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these British concentration camps.

In the OP, you said Brits are Northern Europeans. Now, you’re implying that they’re not. Which is it?

@Acsenray You are wrong. The West has never indulged in large scale immigration until the 1950s.

If the US is part of the West, then parts of the West certainly did have large-scale immigration before the 1950s. Some of those immigrants came from countries that are not part of northern or western Europe. We have a lot of descendants of Polish immigrants here in Pittsburgh- we have a pierogi section in the frozen foods section of our grocery stores (mmmm… pierogies). A lot of Italians also came to the US before the 1950s.