Why is Jesus so important to Christians?

Yes, on the face of it, that looks like a really stupid question. So let me explain.

I thought of this while driving around town the other day. Everywhere, I see signs about Jesus this and Jesus that. “Pray to Jesus.” “Jesus will forgive you.” Etc.

I know the belief is that Jesus came down here, died for our sins, yadda yadda yadda. But why pray to Jesus? Why not pray directly to God? Why is there such an issue made about Jesus, to the point that it almost seems that God is forgotten sometimes?

Those of you who have been here more than a millisecond know that I believe in neither, but the whole thing just struck me as a bit odd.

Well, Jesus’s last name is “Christ”, after all. :wink:

But seriously, folks …

It seems to me that God is supposed to be like your father, while Jesus is like your brother. Your father can be a big distant meanies sometimes, passing down cold, stern judgement from on high, and besides, we all know how our parents just didn’t “get” our generation. Your brother, on the other hand, went through (or is going through) all the stuff you’re going through right now, and can “relate” better. So if your pray to God the Father for guidance or forgiveness, he might just send you to your room without any supper, but if you pray to Jesus the worst he can do is give you a brotherly noogie.

Incidentally, some Catholics take this a step further, and make Jesus out to be just as cold and distant as God … which is why so many Catholic prayers are made to the kind, benevolent Virgin Mary instead.

Or, alternatively, you can check into the Holy Trinity thing. Where you have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spook. They’re all the same person, apparently.

You are obviously missing one or more of the great subtle truths about Christianity. If I may quote from a thread that existed back in the AOL days:

Raise your hand at any statement that seems to require clarification. Ready? God, who is the Almighty and is the Creator of All that Is, made inferior merchandise when creating peoplekind, and said merchandise was corrupted by a certain serpentine thingie that by prior definition is also the creation of beforementioned God, and said corruption forced abovementioned Almighty God to cast this most important centerpiece of Creation out of Eden whereupon they were cursed with original sin,
presumably by God, lest we ascribe the power to curse God’s centerpiece to any lesser being, which was a situation that royally pisseth the Almighty God until, after a relatively unsuccessful experiment involving the drowning of the most corrupt of the centerpiece-manifestations (see “Noah”, in a book called “Genesis”), he decided to fix the problem for once and for all.

He sent his Son, who was Himself, God, down to earth to reside amongst these downfallen centerpieces of creation (aka “sinners”) so that the people could see God in some terms that they could understand, cuz God in God’s awesome majesty was a bit much to comprehend, dig? Now things are simpler: we have Jesus, who was the son of Mary and Joseph and God who impregnated Mary who was married to Joseph; Jesus was God manifest, made mortal amongst
mortals, and Jesus said we should not believe things that he said just because he said them, but instead look to his works to see God manifest in what he did. And as any Christian will tell you, the most important thing he did was die for our sins, a sacrifice made necessary because of our original sin (see above), presumably by God, since no one else is around who could dictate such terms to God, so God demanded of Jesus, who is God, that Jesus
die in order to redeem our sins. With me so far?

So Jesus died, except that he didn’t. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day and ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God who is himself, and the two of God (actually there is a third one of Himself, and the three of Him comprise a Trinity but I won’t go into that right now,) who are identically God are happily pleased that God got hisself killed on our behalf, and as a result, if we acknowledge all of the above, we too may enter the kingdom of heaven as soon as we die. Jesus offers everyone the chance to live after they are dead, a situation not to be
confused with Vladimir Dracula or Stephen King, and to prove this he raised a dead dude by the name of Lazarus who was dead at the time. (Lazarus by my calculations is approximately 1950 years old by now, counting from his second coming, although there have been no recent reports of what he might be up to).

However, lest you think that things have more or less reached a standstill, be assured that Jesus / God, who art one and the same, do not consider the struggle to be over. God is going to send Jesus, who is God’s self as you recall, once again, an event foreseen and described as the “second coming”. The holy, who believe all of the above and invite Jesus to reside in their cardiovascular region, will be taken upstairs to heaven, possibly bypassing purgatory, which is sort of like fraternity hazing
for the heaven-bound, and heading directly to the harps; the unholy, who for reasons having mainly to do with their compromised moral structures and heavily mortgaged souls have refused to acknowledge Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior, will go to hell (with or without the conveyance of proverbial handbasket) and the heavens will ring with a thunderous amen.

The(possibly flawed) impression I always had was similar to tracer’s comment, that Jesus is an intermediary that can help you get much closer to God.

You might not be able to march right into the office of the big motion picture exec and pitch your screenplay, but if you can get an agent that has some Hollywood pull …

I must admit, the most implausible part of the funny monologue cited by AHunter above is that Joseph would have abstained from bumping uglies with Mary, knowing the nature of human males …

Now now, Milossarian, Joseph could’ve bumped his own ugly until Mary was done with the whole Son-O’-God incubation bit.

From the late Isaac Asimov:
God: I think I need a vacation.

St. Pete: Why not Earth? You haven’t done Earth in a while.

God: No way! I had this fling with a little Jewish girl about 2000 years ago and they haven’t stopped talking about it since!

The boring, technical answer is that Jesus said to do it that way. “Whatever you ask the Father in my name…”

Paul (and the author of the letter to the Hebrews) reinforced the idea by emphasizing the role of Jesus as mediator.

Most formal Christian prayers of petition follow the format “Father please grant. . .insert petitions here. . .we ask in the name of Jesus.” (Really technical types throw in “Through your Holy Spirit” at the end to cover all the bases.)

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by AHunter3 *
Raise your hand at any statement that seems to require clarification.
Ready!

No he didn’t. Man evolved, silly. There is irrefutable proof of this.

But I guess you have most of the rest right, although some of the ancient myths like the flood are not requirement of faith.

It is important to remember Jesus has to accept the invitation. Prepare a way for the Lord, to coin a phrase.

David

I’m not even sure any more whether I’m right to call myself “Christian”, but I will explain why Jesus is so important to me. Especially since the question comes from you.

He is important to me because He is I. […slams on brakes, realizes that he might should pause, and define his terms…]

I should make clear that when I speak of Jesus, I’m not speaking of the man in the Nature metaphysic; I’m speaking of the God in the Spirit metaphysic.

The Nature metaphysic is based on a concept not found in the Spirit metaphysic: dimension. Dimension is the matrix by which we perceive consciousness. I am not you (in the Nature metaphysic) because I cannot experience your consciousness — yours and mine exist in separate dimensions. These cause us to have “reference frames” (speaking metaphysically, not Relativity-ly, though analogies exist). That is, you interpret what you see differently from how I interpret what I see; and no two people see things in exactly the same way. My moral quest is irrelevant from your frame of reference, and yours is of no consequence from mine.

This means that nature is amoral, and is merely a manifestation of illusion, existing solely in our brain. Whether the atoms really exist, then, is of no moral consequence. Independent of our brain’s sense processing, the existence of the atoms is morally irrelevant.

That all brings me back to why Jesus is so important to me. In the Spirit metaphysic, all is One. There is One Life. There is One Knowledge. There is One Reality. And He is Absolute. We are Absolute. We are One.

The Oneness of God is wonderful. It is not like the oneness of a single note, but rather of a chord. Oneness is in the harmony. Identity in the Spirit metaphysic is not like consciousness (uncrossable chasms of separate reference frames), it is like empathy (shared experience from the same reference frame).

And that’s why Jesus is so important to me. He is God, just as I am God. Since you also are God, it would not be unreasonable if you discovered that Jesus is quite important to you, too. It’s for an analogous reason that those you “love” in the the Nature metaphysic are so important to you in its context; i.e., they are the fulfillment of your longings; they are those whom you identify with happiness.

What do you mean “we”, kemosabe?

Libertarian, you are a wonderful example of humility for others. :rolleyes:

JMullaney

You too are God.

No Lib. There is none good but God. My soul is a separate spritual entity from God. It is possible to unite one’s soul to God but the does not make one God even then. I do not know what you are teaching here, but it is not Christian belief. Apparently, you are possessed by a demon.

Because that would make you Jewish.

And every good Christian knows all Jews are deceived by the devil, after all…

So that’s why, David!


Yer pal,
Satan

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Satan

Well at least David’s only deceived, and not possessed by demons! :smiley:

Libertarian: with all due respect, that is not a Christian doctrine.

Now, as to the OP… there are actually a couple of reasons why Christians go to Jesus more often than the Father. To quote the Nicene Creed: “He [Jesus] will come again in glory to judge the both the quick and the dead.” All authority has been given to him because of his perfect obedience to God’s will. He is the one who will decide our eternal fate.

Also, in Jesus, he is someone who’s actually been there, done that. He knows what it’s like to live as a human, with all of the temptation, agony, and pain therein. Don’t you find it’s a lot easier to talk to someone who’s been in your situation (no matter what that situation might be)?

One last quote, John 14:5-7a: Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also.”

Works for me.

I figure people pray to Jesus (and invoke Mary, the saints, etc.) because God is a difficult abstraction whereas holy PEOPLE are easier to picture. It’s not quite as simple as a mental picture, though. Jesus also, IMO, represents the divinity in humanity (demi-god as he ostensibly was) and that makes following Jesus’ teachings easier to grasp. God dispenses a morality of fiat, “do this/don’t do that”, but Jesus says “live your life like I did”. It’s God giving an example to go by, and thereby casts divine nature in more human terms. I think this human aspect is why so many people respond much more strongly to the idea of Jesus than to the idea of God alone.

I’m an atheist, not a Christian, so maybe my perceptions on this are off.

I can only speak for myself, but I pray to Jesus a lot because He is the one who saved my life. There is a great debt of gratitude there. I pray to God the Father as my Father. I can crawl up in His lap and talk to Him about anything and know He will be loving and accepting. I pray to the Holy Spirit to ask for the power and grace to walk out the Christian life.

I pray to all three persons of the Trinity, because each one is God Himself. There is overlap for sure … I’m also grateful to God, I ask Jesus for power and grace too, etc. But it seems I gravitate in certain directions with each.

“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” — Jesus

IMO, David’s question is at the heart of Christianity’s rise to prominence. As some of you may remember, I am a soft-shelled atheist, so I have no ‘personal relationship with Jesus’ to call upon here. However, I’ve done some reading on early Christianity – nothing heavy, just the sort of thing any other history buff may have read – and I’ve taken one college-level Western Civilization class that touched on early Christianity. These sources convinced me that what separated Christianity from the other religions floating about was Jesus himself. Many religions featured a reborn god; nor were the concepts of resurrection or virgin birth at all uncommon. Jesus was unique in that he was a god who loved us. Previous gods were pretty damned mean and petty. Look at the Greek and Roman pantheon – out for sacrifice and nooky, not necessarily in that order. The Old-Testament god was more of the same (well, OK, he wasn’t as horny as the Greco-Roman bunch, but he was still one cranky sucker). Jesus was interested in us. Our well-being, our salvation. I believe that whatever happened afterwards (and christians through the years have been every bit as mean and petty as any ancient god), this is what people originally responded to and, I believe, many people still respond to – a god who loves them.