Why Is Rap So Annoying?

But rap isn’t just “gangsta” or “black angst,” is it? Beck raps; Madonna raps (remember Vogue?). Remember that song, “He’s going the distance”? That would be considered rap, no? And there was a song in the 80’s . . . let’s see, who was the group . . . it went: “You want it all but you can’t have it. It’s in your fist, but you can’t grab it.” That was a rap song, but it combined rock and rap.

My point is that rap can be done well, and black groups aren’t the only ones singing it. Like all artistic genre’s, we must put up with the bad if we want to enjoy the good.

Peace,
Tracy

People who don’t like rap or don’t think it’s intelli9gent haven’t listened to Kool Keith. That shit is great. Plus the fact that he doesn’t use much samples but produces all the music (sometimes with others). You get this great atmospheric spacy tracks with funny lyrics. Like:

Lyrics deleted by Alphagene

none of these are whole songs. Only about a quarter to an eight of the actual song.

Unfortunately, fair use of copyrighted material is generally less than one-tenth of the original. I hate to be a prick about this stuff but we do live in a Litigious Society. – Alphagene
[Edited by Alphagene on 09-10-2000 at 01:37 PM]

Satan said:

Schweet! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Where can I get me some?

Lexicon said:

I think this was more about GaWd and I defending ourselves for blasting the music that everyone else hates. :slight_smile:

I’m the (hip de hip?) the ladies pimp
the women fight for my delight
cuz I’m the grandmaster with the master plan
and I rock the house all across the land

Words to live by.

–Tim

Okay, one down. Coming soon:

Why Does Yodeling Suck Ass?
Why Is Blues Music So Boring?
Jazz: What’s The Point Anymore?
Why Classic Rock Should Never Be Played Again
Who Really Listens To This “Classical” Bullshit?
Why Country Music Singers Need To Die
Is Punk Rock Good Enough To Be Called Music?
Why Is Gospel Music Just A Bunch Of Hooey?
Why Heavy Metal Bites The Big One

I could go on all day…

I like this. Cogent points have been made in both directions. White America would have done well to recognize the profound angst contained in early rap. Sadly, that important message might have been better received if it had not been couched in such violent terms. The routine subscription of so many rappers to conspicuous consumption is yet another reason that they are so easy to dismiss. I also heartily agree that most other music styles also have a similar “dreck factor”. Shock rockers like Marylin Manson and the Glamour Rock bands are every bit as contrived as many of these rappers.

Has anyone here ever seen Eek A Mouse? The only way I have ever been able to describe him is as follows:

“Imagine a speaking part for Robert Shields dressed as a Black Carribbean pirate singing Gregorian chants in the voice of Porky Pig dosing on PCP.”

And I mean this in a GOOD way. Eek A Mouse is one of the most creative and brilliant individuals that I have ever come across. His outrageous costuming is not any sort of ostentatious display but instead is a genuinely complimentry component of his performance. His content is thoughtful and interesting (what parts I have been able to understand).

One thing that seems ultra contrived is the bass line patterns in rap. These passages are frequently not even produced on a true bass instrument but are synthesized solely for blasting out of a subwoofer at seismic amplitudes. I realize that this might be conducive to dancing, but as far as being accepted as true music, fat chance.

Long ago I mused on the thought that I was sure no generation would ever be able to piss off a preceding one so well as we did with rock music. I now stand corrected with the advent of rap.

“Rap is music for people who can’t sing”

PS: Dear moderator, thank you for the admonition about posting copyrighted material in anything but excerpted form.

Zenster, just noticed your thread, I started one here that should interest you. Amatuer artist, but shows potential. :wink:

Sili

First you have to make a distinction between rap and hip-hop. Most (~90%) of today’s radio played rap is CRAP. I’m still having a very difficult time of why these rappers (I can’t even begin to give them the distinction of MC) are still selling records. Well I know why, but that’s a whole nother thread. The lyrics are just not poetic at all, and the delivery (flow) is even worse off. Every time I flip on some channel that plays videos, I am bombarded by these whack ass rappers that think they have skills because they have some guy that can market and promote a record, on their side ie. Cash Money Millionares, No Limit, Bad Boy (although I love Biggie Smalls. There have only been a handful of MCs that could flow like him).

Then you have hip-hop. That basic base line. What we call “That head nod shit”. Built on top of the beat is the MC. Flowing from the MC are his/her lyrics. Back in the day, an MC would usually only speak of a few things: 1) the place to be, 2) who you are, 3) what you got, or 4) about a sucker MC (aka those punk ass rappers you hear on the radio and blarring from those prepubescent boy’s cars). Who am I taking about? The Heiroglyphics, Jurrasic 5, Rakim, KRS one, Grandmaster Flash (dj), Kool Herc (dj), RUN DMC, De la Soul, PE, Professor Griff, Biggie Smalls (without that punk Puffy), Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Big Daddy Kane, Just Ice, Def Jeff, Special Ed, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, SnP, Guru and dj Premiere, I could go on, but I think you can see that there is quality hip-hop out there. You’ll have to dig for most of it, but it’s there. All of the above, and more I didn’t mention, have that combination of beats and rhymes that is truly amazing…poetry over beats. Bottom line though: It’s music. You either get it and like it, or you don’t!

I read a couple of posts from people that think turntablists are not musicians. I’d have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on that point. Have you ever seen a turntablist in action? Better yet, have you ever seen a DJ battle? There are some djs that just play samples behind an MC, and then there are turntablists that hold their own, even when the MC is not present (Jurrasic 5). These are the djs (turntablists) that won’t fit your “not musicians” category. A few examples would be: Qbert, Shortcut, Apollo, Mix Master Mike all from the Invisible Skratch Picklz, Roc Raida and the other X-men, A-Trak, 5th Platoon, Babu, Rhettmatic, Cut Chemist, again, the list is too long. Their music says enough, but when you have the privlege to see them perform in person, even if you truly didn’t like the music, you would still be amazed at how damned fast their hands move! And they don’t just “scratch”. They also beat juggle (deconstructing an instrumental into its basic components ie. snare, bass, hi hat and playing each separate piece to create a new piece).Mind you the turntablist is manipulating two turnatbles and a mixer while beat juggling or scracthing. And there are some turntablists that form groups of up to six people that can manipulate 12 turntables at the same time to create a mosaic of sound! Check the web for samples, They’re there. I can’t give you any URLs because I just buy the vinyl instead.

This is a very superficial presentation because I have no way of sharing the actual music with you. But the point I wanted to get across is there is good quality hip-hop out there. Don’t be fooled by those marketing “geniuses” that are trying to shove SHIT down your throats with the rap label.

As far as I’m concerned, when Public Enemy slipped out of public interest, rap went into a tailspin of novelty acts, East - West coast bullshit, and crappy funk-metal-rap fusion, which frankly, should have ended with Faith No More (die, Mike Patton, why don’t you just die?).

Public Enemy had a vital message, whether you agreed with them or not, and that was what rap was born to deliver.

Maybe I’m dating myself here, but do you remember when you first heard SugarHill Gang, or Slick Rick, way back in the day? I was a little white kid growing up in rural Northern Cali, so it was about '81 or '82 before I first heard it. It definitely wasn’t Styx, or Kenny Rogers. This was the only music I’ve ever heard that was truly new and original. Before I knew it, I’d bought parachute pants and started breakdancing. Badly, I might add.

One day, rap will return to its raw, vital roots, and we’ll be rid of the Master PDMXJay-Z clones, and white boyz like *&$%@nSync throwing down lameass dubs to supplant their lamer-ass singing. Yeah, right. But one can dream…

“The only good rapper is one that’s dead… on it.” – Prince

Prince makes a good point in his song “Dead on It” from his “Black” album. He points out that many rappers are simply tone deaf and that it doesn’t take much musical talent to rhyme to the beat. However, the fact that there are a few talented musicians in the Rap Genre is acknowledged in that song. The same thing could be said about so-called artists in any other genre. I point to the Spice Girls as only one example. (Blech!)

“Turning up the bass on a bad song does not make the music any better.” – Dogzilla

My issue with rap is not the poor quality of the “music” – but the fact that I must be subjected to the bass line from three blocks away. I now have a theory on this behavior (put at $10K stereo in a $5K car…):

I was hanging out in my living room with a homie… one of my African-American friends. Somebody “bumped” by my house. My friend darn near broke his neck to look out my window and see who it was… maybe it was one of his boys!

My theory is that the individuals who enjoy destroying their hearing in vehicles are exhibiting a behavior akin to my Dogzilla pissing in corners. They’re just marking their territory and announcing: who they are, where they are, if the territory they’re in is theirs or not. None of this has ANYTHING to do with the music… I think many people who enjoy the bumpin’ bass probably don’t even like the music much either… they just know it irritates the shit of of some of we white folk.

Perhaps that should be Wee White Folk…

I don’t care for rap. It has nothing to do with the lyrics or the attitudes… it’s just the way rap sounds. I don’t care for most country music either, for the same reason. The few country songs I like sound more like rock than country.

I don’t get into the spoken lyric thing… I don’t like the cadence of rap… I don’t like speech mannerisms in rap… the way the words are emphasised… I don’t like the beat… I don’t like the instrumentation…

The ONLY rap songs I’ve ever liked are:
Paul Revere (not sure why)
Funky Cold Medina (it’s just funny, I still don’t like the way it sounds but I’ll listen to it to laugh)
Baby Got Back (again, musically I think it’s lame as hell, but it makes me laugh so I’ll listen to it)

If you like rap, great for you. Have fun. I don’t like it. This doesn’t make me a racist or an asshole, it’s just not something I like.

Hold up a sec…

Mike Patton is actually one of the more talented and versatile singers out there (as far as hard rock bands go, at least). Go beyond the unfortunate foray into rap that Mikey took on the tune “Epic” (the song that everyone knows from Faith No More) and look at his other stuff (the other Faith No More albums as well as his other band, Mr. Bungle, which has moments of sheer musical genius).

I do agree, their attempt at rap was something that shouldn’t have happened. Ever.

Has anyone ever listened to the soundtrack to the movie “Judgment Night”? Each song is a collaborative effort between a rap group and a hard rock sort o’ group. I’m not a big fan of the rap music, but I truly enjoyed some of these songs.

I be da mixmasta D
Kickin it wit ma G’s
I be whack
smack
brik-a-brack
chillin in ma ride
kick back glide
I am a cracka
smacka
bitch whacka
I be posin’
chosin
choosin what goes in
rob a store
not a chore
get some mo’
wit my bitches
take out my snitches
rip some stiches
not fo real
I’m not the real deal
I just gotta feel
like I’m somethin’ that I’m not
brain rot
chillin wit mom
in da home
and I’m still flitry
even though I’m thirty
Wow. I can mock rap pretty good. Yup, I am a cracker. I’m only 15 though.

You can mock bad rap pretty well. Of course I can mock just about any poor example of a musicall genre pretty well.

Quote from my OP.

“Especially ironic is the fact that I find the ability of an artist to “scratch” quite fascinating. That old LP’s should play such an important role in rap is almost scary in it’s homage to all previous music.”

I am actually complimenting the “scratchers” in my post. If you are willing to call an Echoplex an instrument, then maybe a turntable is as well. Hard to make a call on that one. If you want to email me some of the instrumental scratching that you are referring to, please do. I am always open to new artforms.

It is heartening to see that many rap fans are also fed up with the extreme low quality of performance currently dominating the market. I’m glad to see that loyalty to quality supercedes any loyalty to a given genre.

As a sidebar to this discussion, I find it continually ironic that so many black people are offended by the word nigger (as I am), yet do not protest its almost continuous use in rap. My own take is that niggers come in ALL colors and white niggers are some of the worst. Feel free to flame this statement if you need to, but I stand by it.

In the immortal words of Chris Rock, “I love black people, but man oh man, do I hate niggers.”

This shows that even some black persons themselves make a distinction between ‘black people’ and niggers. I truly disprove of the use of the word to refer to black people in general, but I do see Chris’s point as to the distinction. And yes, they do come in a shade of white, but we usually call them “white trash,” using Chris’s distinction that he sets up. Listen to his bit about it if you don’t understand what I mean.

–Tim

Hey Lex…Cry me a fuckin river. :smiley:

Most Rap sucks, some kicks ass, and the rest of it is ignorable.

-Sam

I personally think rap is still in it’s infancy. I do find a lot of it quite annoying, but there is a growing number of artists that are taking the idea and running with it.

Since this is a pit thread, I’d like to add that it’d be nice to lash Eminem and Marilyn Manson together, cover them in fire-ants, push em down the stairs then throw them in a big fucking BBQ Pit. Then we could cover them with a house blend of creamy chicken shit. :slight_smile: Then we can get some big sticks and go looking for the fuckheads looking to take their place. :smiley:

: wipes brow, stomps off :

Oh, and I don’t give a flying fuck what other people listen to in their cars. Nor at what volume.

In fact I get actual amusement out of watching the music blaster in his/her own little world and the facial expressions of other drivers and pedestrians. Ok, so it’s not amusement like going snowboarding or winning a lotto or anything like that, but hey, it’s better than staring at a red light.

Ooooh Dewt, what a stud! I’ll bring the secret sauce.

All the best.

Chris