AFAIK, you and I haven’t butted heads; so let me try to interpret.
^This. That is to say, you posted an example of an American citizen who was killed – some would say ‘murdered’ – by Obama; but you did not mention the other American citizen killed – some would say ‘murdered’ – by Trump. This implies that you think it’s OK for one party to kill American citizens, but not for the other side to do it. Whether you actually think this, it’s how people read it.
Maybe you can start by actually arguing the issue rather than running to your “OMG he is an America-hater” security blanket as per usual.
I posted an example of an ostensible American person killed on the express orders of the United States President. If you want more examples by other Presidents than I’ll happily oblige.
When you introduce whataboutism into a discussion of the apparent murder of a journalist, you aren’t talking about the issue at hand.
ETA: I mean, I could play the same game by talking about the recent Saudi missile strike that killed 40-something school children. But I don’t think that those unwarranted killings is relevant to this discussion either, notwithstanding your effort to want to talk about Yemen.
:rolleyes:
You mean one of the shitload of weapon the United States Government has given the House of Saud? Sure, lets.
Ha ha ha, what an INCREDIBLE coincidence that the United States is brought up again, in one of your posts!
Yes, who would have thought that the Saudis biggest ally and supporter is brought up in a thread about Saudi Arabia?:rolleyes: I really should have brought up Argentina!.
Did you say Argentina? Why didn’t you tell me you wanted to talk about CIA’s murderous interventions in Latin America!?!
So the US is to blame for the Saudis using the weapons? How about blaming the Saudis?
For Yemen? Hell yes. Both are in the dock. The US is up to its eyeballs in Yemen, and the raid you accused me of ignoring and the drone strike which liquidated a teenager both occurred there,
So you are simultaneously arguing that the assassination of a journalist isn’t a big deal because the U.S. does similar things; and also saying what the U.S. does is terrible. That’s not a coherent principle. If it were, you’d be saying that both are terrible misdeeds – instead, your first post in this thread makes it sound like your criticism of the Saudis is mainly that they weren’t more efficient or secretive. Not that you actually believe they did it: innocent until proven guilty, eh?
So when I hear your comments on this murder, I can’t hear any thing over the deafening noise of the grinding of an ax.
You are now totally incoherent, as per usual. I never said the action of killing Jamal Khashoggi was not evil. You are now adding words to my post. And in your patriotic indignation you fail to realize that something can be evil and stupid at the same time.
So your argument is that the Saudis are far too intelligent to misjudge Western reaction so badly, and far too humble to imagine they could get away with it… so it can’t possibly be true?
not surprisingly, journalists are talking about journalists being murdered, but Americans are fine with the Saudis butchering American residents just so long as gas stays low enough that they can drive their fat asses in their suvs to the mall to get more Cinnabon. If the Saudis had performed an abortion in the consulate, maybe there’d be some GOP push back, but the second you suggest that maybe Americans should bike more and carpool to decrease our dependency on foreign oil, we will decide that the journalist had it coming.
IMHO, MBS has just sent a very powerful message to any expatriate Saudis who criticize his ‘reforms’ and to any of his cousins who might think of challenging him.
A stunning story in the WaPost from and about a close friend of Khashoggi.
Well I think we could have a meaningful discussion answering that rhetorical question, but is anyone talking regime change?
The US should finally call SA on their shit, not so obviously take sides in the middle east (Iran=mordor, Saudi=very fine people) and do something about Yemen. None of this requires agitating for regime change.
It should be. But we won’t have legitimate investigations for several years into any of this.
Whataboutism is not an argument.
Turkish media are reporting that one of the suspected killers in the Jamaal Khashoggi murder has died in a ‘suspicious’ car crash.
Basically we are talking about the replacement of the current Crown Prince MBS by another member of the Royal Family–someone not as crazy/violent. No, this new Crown Prince and later King will not be a strong advocate of democracy.