Who’s the racist? Me? Joe Biden?? Those who voted for him last time but aren’t so inclined this time?
… or is it just something you wanted to bring up before somebody else did. I knew it was coming.
Yes, I believe the term for folks such as you is now “Democrats.”
Little polling is being done in Hawaii, but what polls have been done show a likely outcome of about 60-65% for Obama. The 2008 result was an aberration; Hawaii is reliably Democratic but not that extreme, and won’t be that extreme again. So it will be closer than 2008, but not THAT close.
60-40 Obama would, IMHO, be an acheivement for Romney. So, basically, that’s about what this site is; a really good election for Romney PLUS five percent.
This is, I take it, the fixed post? heh.
Is this one of those spot the difference games? I was never very good at those.
Edit: Click on the little arrows to see that I didn’t quote the same post twice.
You are unhinged here. You said change his race. So that’s all I responded to. You didn’t add anything about his socioeconomic background so I took the logical step of assuming it would be unchanged. If you want to suggest some sort of hypothetical where he was born in a gutter then we can discuss it.
So you just made it up and attributed it to me. It’s good you at least admit this.
No. That’s not what I said. I’m listening to you, as you are the one who said it. Despite the fact that Romney was Governor of MA, it isn’t possible that MA will go Republican in the presidential election because Democrats have an overwhelming numbers advantage in the state. It’s a very simple concept, and not one that anyone with any knowledge of politics would debate.
If all other factors were the same, Romney would certainly win the general election if he were black. He’s got the votes of 49% of the electorate that he has now, plus he just needs a few additional undecided voters and a slice of the black vote.
The reason so many heads are exploding when you guys see my posts is that you assume that when we discuss a hypothetical race change of someone that this also means a huge change in their background or upbringing or education.
I’m not.
I think this is totally false. If being black were a net benefit, politically, wouldn’t we have a lot more black senators (and presidents, for that matter)?
Since so many blacks are born to single mothers and poverty and have access to less education it’s not surprising that there aren’t many black senators. That’s due to those factors, though, not some hindrance to obtaining office due to their race.
Debaser, you don’t think a lot of shit would change if Romney was Black? First he’d be a Black Republican. They don’t get an awful lot of support among Black voters. Second, Romney has used a number of dog whistles in his campaign. Black Republicans who would say those same things would get even less support. Third, a the surge in support among white voters after the debates might never have happened. Fourth, he would suffer from the Michael Steele problem, i.e., we know you got picked solely to garner Black votes without having to support issues Blacks care about.
Wait. If blacks have different circumstances of birth and education than whites, that IS due to race, and it’s obviously a hindrance. That’s precisely what the issue is with regard to race: systemic disadvantages to one group, which have the net effect of systemic advantages to another.
So is being black a benefit just for a politics, or also for other careers?
This is the crux of the matter. I disagree that race is the reason for these differences. The black people that choose to get married before they have kids, for instance, have income equality with whites.
If black people choose to get married, get educated, and achieve then anything is possible. The Obama’s are an example of this, as is Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas Condoleeza Rice and countless more.
The fact that most don’t is unfortunate, but hardly a hindrance that cannot be overcome.
You make some good points. However, he wouldn’t need much. He’s just got to turn that 49% into 51%.
Again, all other things being equal, yes of course it is. Race based preferences is college admissions benefits basically all careers. Preferences in hiring, especially by the federal government also benefit a lot of careers that don’t require a degree.
So what you’re saying is that, everything else being equal, being black makes life easier in the US?
Why don’t you take a turn saying what you think rather than continually asking me questions.
But White Mitt was already polling at 0% among black voters. Flipping going 49 to 51 nationally means he would need about 16% of Black voters. And Republicans were never in love with White Mitt so is Black Mitt gonna get the same level of support? The guy who wants to put the White back in the Whtehouse is gonna sit out a contest between two Black candidates .
I think I’ve already made it clear, but I think this is an assumption of many white people in the US- that being black makes things easier. And I think it’s completely, ridiculously false. There’s still discrimination in the system (especially in the justice system) and there’s still more mundane types of discrimination (hiring, rental property, etc). It’s better than it was 20 years ago, and better than 50 years ago, but it’s still here. According to this, a majority of Americans still express anti-black attitudes.
I think your assumption is completely wrong. It also plays a big part in explaining why the Republican party is utterly failing to attract more than a tiny portion of black voters (and a decreasing number of other minorities).