Sinatra and Allen were also O.K. with affairs. That whole community didn’t have much problem with affairs. Ronan’s biological parents isn’t much relevant to who had affairs, and I think that it doesn’t have much to do with who he looks like. What you want is more than a plausible case. It looks like we’re never going to get more than a plausible case, since Ronan seems to have no interest is doing a DNA test.
I agree. I am definitely not in MF’s fan club, but the fact she adopted many children with medical problems doesn’t prove she “relish[es]” the suffering of others." I can easily imagine a person/couple who takes in kids with medical problems out of compassion and a sense that “we can do this, a lot of people can’t, let’s go for it!” Nothing wrong with that, and in fact children are lucky such people exist.
Sometimes.
But then you read Moses Farrow saying this
He claims he was abused.
(My emphasis)
Sun-Yi also reports abuse.
(My emphasis)
Yes, there are wealthy people who use their good fortune to help others. But there are also people who belittle and abuse the kids they’ve taken in. And Munchausen by Proxy is also a real thing.
I didn’t intend to blame Mia for the deaths of her 3 kids, but rather to press the point that she wasn’t particularly helping or nurturing the family. 3 kids died young, and 2 others have disowned her. I’m not convinced (and of course this is just my speculation) that any of Mia’s adopted kids were lucky to have found her.
I just want to address two of these that I feel like are pretty weak sauce, then I will drop it.
Neither of these sound like evidence.
1)Just because no other accusers have come forward doesn’t mean any other accusers exist.
2) Abusers are not geniuses and can do stupid things too, such as act out in front of witnesses.
The rest of them seem plausible.
I feel Dylan probably does believe that Allen molested her. But keep in mind that she was seven years old when this event supposedly occurred. She probably has no direct memories of events that occurred at that age. What she remembers is what her mother has been telling her happened for the last thirty years.
No, they are ALWAYS lucky that caring, compassionate, people exist. Not every adoptive parent is a monster, and if you don’t take my comment out of context, it’s clear I was only saying that kids are lucky that GOOD adoptive parents exist. Was Mia Farrow such a parent? The evidence available suggests she wasn’t.
My apologies for taking your quote out of context.
I agree.
Maybe they were OK with affairs, but they were allegedly not at all OK with each other. One of Allen’s biographers alleges that when Mia took up with Allen, Frank Sinatra was so incensed that he considered ordering a hit on Allen, but Allen’s fame made it too risky. It’s one of those stories that’s probably just urban legend, but not beyond the bounds of credulity.
Mia and Frank were divorced 12 years before she began dating Woody. There was a husband between them. I just tried searching on whether Frank considered putting a hit on Woody, and some of the sources say that Frank couldn’t have persuaded the Mafia to do such a thing. Again, I don’t think there’s anything more than a vaguely plausible case that Frank was still sleeping with Mia around the time that Ronan was conceived, and until there’s a DNA test it’s impossible to say anything for certain.
He can’t be compelled to have his DNA tested, of course, but has Ronan spoken about his reasons for refusing to take a test and settle this matter once and for all? You’d think he’d be curious, if nothing else.
He’s responded with a flippant joke.
I ask because I can’t think of a response that wouldn’t sound flippant, or defensive, or imbecilic.
BTW, I’ve had my DNA tested and I can definitely say that I’m not Frank Sinatra’s son.
Sure, but the other 9 seem to have stuck with her. I don’t think any of this can really be unentangled.
ETA: To clarify, I have no idea as to the guilt or non-guilt of anyone in this little morality play and I think anyone else that is certain is fooling themselves.
This makes it sound like people have asked him to take a DNA test, but he outright refused. That’s not what happened. He just made a joke after Mia made the claim about dating Frank around the time he was conceived. It appears that he simply doesn’t care. This isn’t a rare reaction. Lots of people, on hearing claims about who their biological parents really are, don’t think it’s worth the bother. They know who brought them up, and they consider that to be the only important thing.
Well, that’s what he’s professing. Most people, unlike him, have not had their paternity questioned and no one I’m aware of has had it questioned so publicly or repeatedly. I’m merely observing that if he wishes to dispute the repeated public rumors, there’s an obvious method of doing so, and he is choosing not to avail himself of it, thus allowing the rumors to continue flurrying. You may read into this what you wish, but I take it as a tacit acceptance of the rumors’ truth, namely that his mother slept with someone other than his putative father around the time of his conception.
Maybe he did get tested and the results are none of our fucking business.
Maybe. Or maybe they show that his mother was sleeping with her ex-husband when she was expressing outrage at Allen’s promiscuity.
Is that any of our business?
I wish more people felt that way.
Or both.