Woody Allen is a creep.

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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I am in the process of adopting my wife’s 22 month old daughter. This is a decision we didn’t take lightly and really hope we can always provide what is in her best interest as parents.

But last night I saw something on TV with Woody Allen and Soon Yi Preven. They are a couple, but he initially had adopted her. What a breach of trust must have occured for the intial foray from parent/child to have swayed to lover/lover. I cannot fathom that. Creepy to the nth degree! Why is he not shunned? If I start dating my adopted daughter and presumably having sexual relations, I would have to move waaaay out of where I currently live in orfer to keep my soul and body united. I think Soon Yi does not have any other family, besides Mia Farrow, to call woody on this, which makes his actions all the more predatory.

Yech… Are stars so desperate to be part of the next Woody Allen project that they don’t care about his depravity, or is Hollywood truly a moral-less society?

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My understanding is that she is not Woody’s adopted daughter. She is the adopted daughter of Mia and Andre’ Previn the famous conductor. Other than his age and relationship with Mia, I don’t think that there was any relationship of trust involved.

Still, that must have been something when she brought her new boyfriend home to meet mom.

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Andre Previn? He used to conduct the Pittsburgh Symphony. I didn’t know he was married to Farrow once!

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Either way, she was still effectively his (adopted) step-daughter, which is pretty sicko.

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Not so. Allen and Farrow never married, and never even lived together. The idea that Allen had any sort of relationship with her when she was a child is pure speculation (I believe Farrow has adopted about 10 children - it’s unlikely that someone not part of that household would have a parental relationship with any given one).

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Hell, wasn’t everybody married to Farrow at one point?

IIRC when Woody joined the clan, Soon Yi was past the age of consent (i.e. older than 18), so he wasn’t exactly robbing the cradle. Woody never had any legal ties with her, the only kids he adopted were those that joined the family after that (the name Satchel comes to mind).

Was it right? As right as any sixty-ish dweeb getting it on with someone forty years younger. If it hadn’t have been for the tabloid’s lust-for-gossip and Mia’s campaign to ruin Woody**, it probably wouldn’t have been big news.

** I’m sure both parties were equally to blame, however Mia seemed to take extra delight in handing another nail to the Roman soldiers getting ready to crucify Woody.***

*** Alright, that was a horrible analogy for someone of the hebraic persuasion, sue me.

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Why should his personal life have anything to do with his movies? Either his movies are good, or they are not; where he puts his dick should have nothing to do with it.

I suppose he should be blacklisted, Mr. McCarthy?

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It was just a question, but I see the thought police have arrived.

::slinks away, chastised for asking a question and voicing an opinion…

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But it was a question based on false assumptions. Apart from Revtim’s reply, we were just trying to set the record straight. Trying to draw an analogy between Woody having a relationship with the adult adopted daughter of his girlfriend and you having a relationship with the 22 month old daughter of your wife just doesn’t work.

You are entitled to your opinion, so I won’t argue with you there. We’re just trying to make sure that opinion isn’t based on tabloid rumors and water-cooler jokes.

Not to say I don’t agree with Revtim’s premise though. As long as no laws are broken, why should his personal life affect his movies?

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newcrasher - do not whine. It is immature and a very good way of getting a lot of people on this site against you.

This site has a large number of extremely knowledgeable, intelligent and opinionated people. If you express an opinion here expect that it will be commented on, and you may not like all of the comments that you get. If you can’t handle that, find another place to play, or keep your opinions to yourself. Do not expect us to cut you any slack. We don’t do that here for anyone for any reason.

Revtim gave a valid argument in opposition to your opinion. Playing “poor pitiful me” does not support your position at all.

OTOH, if you are willing to express your opinions and accept criticism gracefully, you may be rewarded with the respect of a group of people whose respect is extremely valuable. Which would you prefer, the agreement of an idiot, or the respect of an intelligent person?

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Oh, quit whining. Yes, he’s creepy. But his situation is nothing like yours; Soon-Yi was never his daughter; she was his girlfriend’s adult daughter, and none of them lived in the same household. It furthermore has nothing to do with the quality of his movies. It appears that you posted this so that we’d all applaud the fact that you’re morally superior to Woody Allen. OK, let’s say that you are. That doesn’t tell us anything about whether you’ve written anything as funny as Love & Death. I’ll wager you never have.

–Cliffy

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*Originally posted by Why A Duck *
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Even if a crime was committed, as long as does the time or whatever, it still shouldn’t affect his movies. This reminds me of when that movie “Powder” came out, and people were saying that the movie should be boycotted because the director did time because of child molestation. I guess these people thought that he should be on welfare or something the rest of his life.

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Let me put it this way:

Woody had a relationship with Mia. Then he had a relationship with Mia’s daughter.

I find that more than a little creepy.

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You recall incorrectly. Soon Yi was much younger when Mia and Woody got together.

Satchel (now Seamus) was Woody and Mia’s natural child.

You might say that Woody had no legal ties with Soon Yi–well, she is the half-sister of Woody’s child. She is the daughter of the mother of Woody’s child. All of that might not be important legally–but I don’t think it’s fair to minimize the connection.

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[Staples Snowman Robot] Weeping, Weeping** [/Stupid Robot]**

Ya got me Ms. Bean. From here, Soon-Yi was 10 when Mia and Woody started dating (1980). However, she was 20-21 (1991) when they began their relationship. Raises the creepy factor a little, I’ll admit that.

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At some point a relationship that was parental became something else. Even if he wasnt an active parent, the thought of relations with any of MY step-somethings kinda creeps me out. Maybe that is just me.

Hollywood types get to choose who they work with. Personally I would not want to work with a guy who is sleeping with is son’s half-sister. Again, maybe that is just me, but I think most people, given the choice, would opt out.

I think these Hollywood types would opt out as well, but for the fact that Woody’s flics are usually quite successful and being in one is a feather in the proverbial cap. I was just wondering of they have put their morality on hold for their own advancement or if they simply don’t care.

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Here I am, a 39-year old Jewish man with a Korean-born adopted daughter who is turning 10 this coming Sunday.

First of all, those posters who find Mr. Allen to be creepy are basically saying, “Soon-Yi has no mind, no conscience, no intelligence and no free will. She’s being used as a plaything and is helpless in the determination of her own destiny”. Please. :rolleyes:

Ms. Previn may have had some contact on and off with Mr. Allen through the years, through her teenage years to be sure. From what I have read, and I’m no Woody-phile, Mr. Allen did NOT reside with Ms. Previn while she was growing up.

It’s impossible for anyone to gauge accurately what kind of parent-child relationship might or might not have formed during those years when Mr. Allen had infrequent contact with Ms. Previn. Whatever the relationship is now, it is consensual.

I’d tend to believe, personally, that this doesn’t smack of an incestuous relationship at all. Ms. Previn should be accorded the right to be able to make her own choice as far as an adult partner goes, without checking with The Will of The Masses first.

newscrasher took a lot of shots at depraved Hollywood-types, and yet in fact offers no hard proof that Ms. Previn was the adopted daughter of Mr. Allen. This isn’t Page Six with Liz Smith, it’s the Straight Dope. Get your facts right and provide us with cites, or don’t accuse.

Decent questions to ponder: Was Ms. Previn influenced by Mr. Allen at an age when she was malleable enough that one might make the accusation of incest? I believe not. Did Ms. Previn chose of her own free will to live with Mr. Allen? Well, unless she claims that she was kidnapped, we all have to believe that the answer was yes. Has Mr. Allen violated any laws here? Check the records. I don’t believe he’s done jail time for anything here.

I am aware that I’m playing devil’s advocate to a large degree, but it’s such a very slippery slope. I won’t condemn what I don’t know enough about, even though on the SURFACE you’d think I would feel I was in the perfect moral position to do so ( see my opening sentence here ). I’d like to land on the side of respecting Ms. Previn’s right to chose her own destiny.

My daughter is my daughter is my daughter. The biology of it is irrelevant, she is my daughter in every single other sense of the word. newscrasher, congratulations on the upcoming adoption of your new daughter. :slight_smile:

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I find it a little creepy too. That doesn’t change the fact that I think that Woody Allen is a brilliant filmmaker. I even like his recent movies, which haven’t generally gotten good reviews.

As other people have pointed out, he didn’t start dating Soon-yi till she was about 20 and didn’t marry her till she was 27. He’s 35 years older than her, incidentally. It’s possible to be a slimeball and yet be a genius. Let’s start with someone who is very close to Woody Allen in his talent: Charlie Chaplin. Chaplin four times married women around Soon-yi’s age. His final marriage, when he was 54, was to an 17-year-old. To be consistent, if you’re going to boycott Allen’s films, shouldn’t you boycott Chaplin’s too?

newcrasher writes:

> . . . Woody’s flics are usually quite successful . . .

If you mean commercially successful, actually they aren’t. Woody Allen’s films haven’t made very much money in general.

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What did Previn, Soon-yi’s father, have to say about the whole thing?

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FWIW, he was investigated but not prosecuted for molesting his and Mia’s daughter Dylan. I believe the prosecutor said something to the effect that they had enough evidence to convict but felt that a trial would be more detrimental to the child than the molestation (I know that doesn’t make much sense, but that’s what he said). Woody then filed a grievance against the prosecutor but did not prevail. This all took place in Litchfield, Connecticut, if someone feels like researching it…