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I think the movie Powder was criticized specifically because it was a Disney movie and aimed at kids. Disney gets a lot of mileage out of being a family-oriented entertainment company. They were called to task for the apparent contradiction between the wholesome image that makes them so profitable and their hiring a convicted child molester as a director. Or do I have the facts wrong? Please correct me if I’m wrong; I promise not to whine.
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Or maybe some people have different ideas of morality than you do? Or maybe they think that someone else’s private life is none of their business, and that two consenting adults should be able to do what they want as long as they’re not harming anyone else?
For the record, I am not 100% comfortable with the Soon-Yi Previn / Woody Allen relationship. Partly because he was dating her mother at one point, and partly because I think a rich, successful man trying to date a young, presumably impressionable teenage is in some way taking advantage. But this doesn’t happen only in Hollywood. If you found out that the CEO of your company divorced his wife to marry another woman 20 years younger, would you quit? If not, where’s your vaunted morality?
Yep.
Immoral.
Sick.
Shameful.
Disgusting. And yes, I am making a moral judgement. And yes, he is a public figure so his life is gist for the gossip mill. And yes- yet again- he is a creep for fucking his son’s mother while taking naked pictures of her daughter.
I don’t understand how anyone can defend this.
Just disgusting.
Biggirl, there’s a difference between taking pictures of someone naked and taking pornographic pictures. (Disclaimer - I have not seen the pictures that Woody Allen took of Mia Farrow-s step-daughter.) Claiming that naked pictures are de facto immoral seems overly prudish.
I didn’t say the pictures were pornographic. But that Mia finding the pictures is what propmted Woody to confess his love for his lover’s daughter says something about what Woody thought of the pictures.
Do you really think it’s prudish to find it disgusting that my lover took naked pictures of my daughter? Or that screwing your brother’s father is just fine-- no need to jump to conclusions about either one of those two.
At what age is it all right to turn a lustful eye on your stepdaughter? 10 is too young, 16 it is still illegal, but at that magical age of 18-- hey, let’s get naked! Spare me.
Biggirl - if that was the situation, then yes it does say something about the intent of the pictures. I still say that there is nothing inherently wrong with taking a picture of someone in the nude, it’s the intent that matters.
Soon-Yi Previn is Woody Allen’s step-daughter only in a loose sense, since Woody Allen was not her adoptive father, Woody Allen and Mia Farrow were never married, and Woody Allen and Mia Farrow never lived together (as far as I know.) In that case, I would base my decision on to the degree to which Soon-Yi regarded Woody Allen as a father figure. And I don’t know the answer to that question.
Yes, age is relevant. Actually that is the part that bothers the most, the very large discrepancy in ages. Nevertheless, for better or for worse, society at large has decided that people of the age of eighteen are old enough to make their own decisions.
Finally, no, I cannot find it in my heart to spare you the pleasure of benefitting from my wisdom and valuable insight. 
Oh, I didn’t mean for you in particular to spare me,Arnold. I meant for all the guys (and it is usually the guys) who try to weasle the situation. But she really isn’t related to him, they hem. Woody and Mia weren’t living together, the haw.
They convienently forget the fact the Woody and Mia had two children together. I suppose when Soon-Yi gets too old and Woody says, yet again “You can’t help who you fall in love with,” while eyeing their adopted daughter it’ll be O.K. because she isn’t his natural daughter.
It is plain to see that I find him creepy in a big way.
Whoa there. Dating your own adopted daughter is a different situation. And the fact that they don’t have a biological relationship is not the determining factor in my view, as I said above. Did Soon-Yi Previn ever call him Daddy? Did he ever baby-sit her or help her with her homework? Did she consider him as an authority figure? Those are what would constitute the “father-child” relationship in their case.
I agreed with you alread that Woody Allen constantly chasing women much younger than him (and presenting them as love interests in his movies) is unsavory. But he’s not the only one to do that.
I read Mia’s book, which gives a lot of detail about all of this, including court papers. I am pretty much convinced that Woody Allen did indeed molest Dylan. Assuming this is true, then he is a child molester. Dylan was very young at the time, I think around 5. To me, with that history, his later relationship with Soon-yi is very disturbing.
As a result of the stuff with Woody, Mia changed at least one of her children’s names (I think it was Dylan, but it’s been a while since I read the book)…
Wellll. . … Let’s see. How much older is Soon-Yi than Satchel and, um, Dylan? Does Soon-Yi consider them her siblings? When Soon-Yi was 10 thru 17 did Woody just ignore her while treating her brother and sister as his own children?
How can you start thinking of your children’s sister as someone desirable? Is it because Soon-Yi was adopted that this situation becomes more palatable? I sure hope not.
Biggirl writes:
> They convienently forget the fact the Woody and Mia had
> two children together.
No, they had one child together.
She also writes:
> I don’t understand how anyone can defend this.
We’re not defending his actions. As I said, I find them creepy too. But it appears that either he has committed no crime or at least no one has proved that he’s committed a crime. We’re saying that the fact that he’s morally disgusting has nothing to do with the quality of his films. If you’re going to start rejecting the work of anyone who does something that’s morally disgusting, you’ve got many, many people to reject.
Thank you for making this point.
I agree that if Woody Allen forced Soon-Yi into the relationship by any means, he’s a creep. However, we don’t have any legitimate evidence that was the case, and the fact that they are still together indicates to me that it wasn’t.
I am seeing a guy who is 30+ years older than me, who I met (but did not become involved with) while under the age of consent. I was not pressured in any way by him; I made an adult decision to become involved with him and am quite happy that I did so. I suppose that mekes me sensitive to this kind of situation.
Of course, Woody may be a creep for other reasons, such as the child molestation thing, but we don’t have enough proof to figure that out.
I don’t know the answer to any of these questions. Do you?
Yes, since Soon-Yi was not adopted by Woody Allen.
Biggirl, I completely forgot about the entire photographs thing. :mad:
Adopted, biological, spawned from a petri dish and raised by wolves, whatever- that part of the story is disgusting and if true, puts him in a league with pedophiles. Period.
The legal battles with Ms. Farrow were awful and skewed like all legal battles, and he happened to win. Nobody knows what he did except the kids. She surely doesn’t know, if she was not present in the room.
I stand by everything I said regarding Ms. Previn’s right to chose her own destiny, however unsavory others may find it. However I did forget about the photographs.
And to answer another question you raised that really stung, because I feel like you were basically accusing some of the posters in this thread of it, THERE IS NO MAGICAL AGE AT WHICH POINT IT IS ALL RIGHT TO “LUST AFTER YOUR OWN DAUGHTER”.
The entire point of my first post into this thread was that I truly always felt as though they DID NOT HAVE a father/daughter relationship. He did not raise her.
Now, we can get into the discomforting area of an adult falling in love with his best friend’s daughter, etc. But that is not the situation here. We know enough of the specifics to debate just this relationship.
Fucking photographs. Sure, go and blow the strength of my arguments all to hell. 
Ahem… Accusing some of the posters in this thread of giving tacit approval to this behavior, not of DOING such a thing.
I gotta wake up before I post. :rolleyes:
Revtim Said:
IIRC, the big brouhaha about “Powder” came about because several critics thought that the movie was made to defend his pederast ways- the “outsider being persecuted because he’s different” was a metaphor for his problems with the law for child molestation. The DC City Paper had a very good article pointing out some specifics. Unfortunately, they don’t archive their columns.
And I personally try not to make purchases from people/companies whose moral stands I find abhorrent.
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They had two children. One adopted and one naturally.
I never mentioned his movies. I said he disgusts me. And I was disagreeing with everyone who jumped on newcrasher for finding Mr. Allen creepy. He’s freakin’ creepy no matter how funny I find Take The Money and Run.
BTW, congrats to newcrasher on his impending fatherhood.
Actually, Woody adopted Moses and Dylan, and had a child Satchell with Mia.
Anyone interested in the case should read Mia’s book What Falls Away. Woody hid his relationship with Soon-Yi and tried to convince Mia to keep it from the press and destroy the photos. He accused Mia in court papers of accusing him of molesting Satchell (she never did), and testified in court that her house wasn’t a family, but a “halfway house for orphans.” Mia was married to Andrew Previn, and had three sons and four adopted children (including Soon-Yi) with him. She had an earlier marriage to Frank Sinatra, who threatened to break Woody’s legs.
Woody’s relationship with Dylan was definitely inappropriate, if not molestation. Mia sites several examples where people commented on it, including Dylan’s therapist. There was something going on there; how far Woody went is anyone’s guess.
Woody did accuse Mia in court of being an abusive, unfit mother and tried to get total custody of “his” three children. When the judge offered to give him visitation with his biological son Satchell, Woody stated that he only wanted visitation with all three children (including Dylan) or none of them. This was the deciding factor in keeping him away from the children.
I saw Woody on the streets of NYC when all this was going on, and had to resist the urge to slap his face.