Why isn't Canada part of the U.S.A.?

Dear Straight Dope;

Since you folks know everything there is to know, perhaps you could enlighten me on the subject of Canada. Why isn’t Canada, well, American? Being in Canada now and learning a lot about it, I know Canada was made up of colonies, just like the soon-to-be-USA in 1776. Why didn’t they revolt at the same time? Surely British laws affected New Brunswick the same ways (more or less) as they did Virginia. I could understand why Quebec would go its own way for linguistic reasons, just as Mexico became independent on its own, but why didn’t Nova Scotia or Ontario end up as Maine North and Michigan East, respectively? Why isn’t Saskatchewan called “Really North Dakota”?

I mean, we’re not talking about Germany and Italy here or something. They’re both English-speaking (except for Quebec, as above) they’re both democracies with similar forms of government, they both have similar legal systems. They’re both rich and industrialized. They even have major league baseball here. It doesn’t really seem to serve much purpose except to hassle people at the border and provide more jobs for bad politicians.

IIRC, the Canadians consider that they and England won the War of 1812. So it’s a matter of pride that they didn’t join the US.

I heard a rumor last time Quebec independence came to a vote that the Maritime Provinces would join the US if Quebec became an independent country rather than be disjoint parts of Canada.

It may come to a shock to you but maybe they don’t want to be.

Canada is a “Wholly-owned subsidiary” of the United States.
It says it on the bottom of the map, along the boarder. You may also find it is in small print on the sign that says “Welcome to Canada”.

If you were in Canada surrounded by ice you’d probably rather stay home by the fire too rather than go to some crazy tea party.

I know Canadians don’t WANT to be part of the United States. My question is; what historical, sociological, or economic forces caused Canada to take a different path than the 13 Colonies?

  1. Population. At the time of the War for Independence, Canada was quite smaller than the Colonies to the south. If I’m not mistaken, the only city of any real size was Quebec, which was French speaking anyways.

  2. War of 1812. The U.S. invaded to force Canada to join the U.S. Canada fought back and preserved their territory. Why voluntarily join the nation who tried to take you by force?

  3. Canada doesn’t have a similar goevrnment to the U.S. They have a British style parliamentary system, which while qualifying it as a democratic republic, does make it quite different than the U.S.

  4. One of the causes of the War of 1812 was the fact that there was a huge influx of Loyalists into Canada, especially the Maritimes, after the American Revolution. Remember, even generous historians put the pro-Independence side in the revolution to about 1/3 of the U.S. population. Once we won, lots of people moved to Canada who were against severing ties with Britain.

I couldn’t possibly say it better than the I AM CANADIAN ad…

http://www.adcritic.com/content/molson-canadian-i-am.html

And it isn’t all that simple.

Here are a few issues (that are not comprehensive):

The people in Canada in 1776 were the French-speaking settlers who had “lost” the French and Indian war that ended in 1763. There were fewer than 1,000 British immigrants among the 70,000+ Canadians. The French settlers were used to “government from afar” because France had established Canada as a Royal Colony (not sure if that was the term they used) and had continued to govern as a monarchy through the royal governors. In contast, the British settlements to the south, while also administered by a royally imposed governor, had generally been founded by grants from the British king and each had developed a legislative body to conduct government at the local level. The Canadians did not see the various taxes and restrictions as much different than the sorts of things that the French king had been imposing all along.

At the start of the American War for Independence, several people wanted to encourage Canada to join with the thirteen colonies. Benjamin Franklin was part of a delegation sent to try to arrange it.

Unfortunately, there were a couple of problems. The winter before Franklin’s journey, Benedict Arnold had led an attacking force into Canada. While his intent was to neutralize the British command of the St. Lawrence River, he effectively “invaded” the land of the French settlers. Since the Americans had no money, they had to rely on requisitioning supplies from the local people. This did not endear him or his cause to the people. Since the majority of the battles in the French and Indian War had been fought between the militias of French settlers and British settlers, the Canadians tended to think of the British/American colonists as “the enemy” while they thought of the British king as simply the latest ruler from the east side of the Atlantic.

In addition, Britain had shrewdly enacted the Quebec Act in 1774. This act vested power in the (Catholic) Church and the local large land-owners, while recognizing the validity of Catholicism and the French language. (The RCC was still undergoing an off-and-on struggle to be legal in Britain and its other colonies and many restrictions were imposed on its adherents.) (That the Quebec Act ultimately blew up in the face of the British and, later, Canadian governments is a different story.)

When Franklin showed up to encourage the Canadians to throw in with the revolting colonists, he could not promise that Catholicism would be accepted in the new country (even in Maryland, the RCC had been restricted after Lord Baltimore converted to the Anglican Communion).

The people had no background of self-determination, few owned land, and the seigneurs who actually owned the land could not be persuaded that it was in their interests to defy the British Government who had only three years earlier granted them more power.

Add in that there was no common language or culture, and the mission of Franklin and his colleagues was doomed from the beginning. The English-speaking provinces of today, were not settled until after the War for Independence–and the first settlers were Loyalists fleeing the new, victorious United States. They certainly had no desire in later years to make common cause with or to join the U.S.

Russia is only 20 miles from the USA [take a look at Alaska]. Now Why aren’t they part of the US? :slight_smile:

Wow… excellent answer by Tomndebb. I was answering mostly on speculation (I knew there weren’t many British in Canada, but I didn’t know that there were THAT few) but his answer was quite well researched. Good job!

Yes, Tom, what jayron said. I’ve also often wondered about why there weren’t sixteen colonies in revolt and you’ve explained it.

Not totally true. There were English speaking colonies in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island (at the time called Abegweit) before the American Revolution.

But it is true that Ontario and New Brunswick were settled by Loyalists. But after they got there, they found that they didn’t get along with their new colonial governments (in Quebec and Halifax respectively) and convinced the authorities in London to split them off as separate colonies.

Simple–it’s not worth invading!
:running for cover:

Hey, what do you expect from a bunch of “loyalists” who, in an atmosphere and time of daring, of new found freedom, and of opportunity, preferred to retain their allegiance to a demented monarch.

The future Canadians seemed to prefer obeisance, just as the current ones do now. Why lead when you can be led?

Canadians seem not to value individual freedom. The American Bill of Rights is an anathema to many Canadians. Indeed, the Canadian “equivalent” is a sham. Any of the so-called “rights” can be abrogated if it is felt to be in “the better interest of the society” to do so (or sentiments to that effect) .

I am not surprised that many Canadians don’t wish to join the USA. They couldn’t handle it (and they know it).

Karl, it was a pretty simple question, and well answered. Did you really have to flame an entire country and a large proportion of our membership?

Don’t answer that. The answer is, “No, you did not.”

Fair enough. But, as a Canadian myself, I thought I might be given a bit more latitude.

Clearly (I hope) it was obvious that I was being dramatic. I wanted to make the point that many of my compatriots couldn’t cope with what it takes to be an American.

I am sorry if offended anyone.

Karl

Please, unpack this a bit for me. It sounds like you’re suggesting that most Canadians are just shy, wallflower Americans waiting to be asked to the Prom or something. That libertarianism doesn’t have the same foothold as in the U.S. doesn’t make us all sheep. You could as easily say that Canada is free of the perverse and self-destructive tendency of Americans to value individual liberties above common sense.

While the Notwithstanding Clause of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has proven to be a ridiculous and easily abused escape hatch, I don’t think that the American constitution is particularly bulletproof either. Ask the NRA about the second amendment; ask a liberal about the first. Anyone here know how many different federal agencies have it written into their charter that they have the power to suspend civil rights in times of national emergency?

I don’t intend this as an attack on Americans; I’m a Canadian living here for job reasons, and overall I’ve realized that the cultural and social differences between the U.S. and Canada are minimal compared to the regional differences in North America (who has less in common, Torontonians and New Yorkers, or Alabamians and Seattlites?).

So, Karl, what DO you think it takes to be an American? I mean, I coulnd’t tell you that, obviously. But it sounds like an awfully weird statement coming from a Canadian.

I’d say, as a neutral outsider, both countries have their merits and drawbacks. But what would prompt you to use such a pro-USA tone in you post?

Just curious, that’s all.

And NONE of you have what it takes to be a True Dutchman, of course :smiley:

I’ve heard a number of Canadians, when becoming well and truly pissed (drunk), flame their own country much worse than any but the most obnoxious American would. In fact, unless they are intentionally ragging on Canadians, I think most Americans are more or less oblivious to the Great White North.

I’ve sometimes thought that being Canadian in American society is something like being Jewish–especially as an entertainer or other public figure. It’s not immediately apparent that William Shatner (for example) is Canadian. Once you find out he is, though, it’s like, “huh”, interesting but not a big deal for most people.

Zarathustra