Dog meat always tastes better if you’ve injected your special cream sauce into it first.
Sex is controlled by the dominant wolves in a wolfpack. Only the Alpha Male may mate, usually only with the Alpha Female (or another pair may mate with the Alpha pair’s “approval” - presumably this prevents too much inbreeding in a given pack).
Also, there are instances of “false mounting”* of male wolves by male wolves to substantiate dominance.
So, in theory, as dogs are descended from wolves and have a similar (note: I did not say the same) pack mentality, a human who allows his or her canine companion the right to mate with him or her is encouraging thoughts of dominance in said pet’s instincts.
In theory. I do know that it is common practice to euthanize any animal that has been abused in this fashion.
*There is some disagreement in more modern researchers about the nature of male/male wolfsex as a dominance display. 'nuff said.
The OP is fuckin ridiculous. Rusty plays in the yard. Rusty brings a stick inside. Rusty licks his own nuts. Rusty fucks his master. Rusty Chews up her favorite pair of sneakers. Rusty falls asleep thinking “tomorrow I get to poop again!”
A dog doesn’t know from sexual trauma. It doesn’t feel “dirty” or “violated.” Dogs are intelligent, but they’re not that intelligent. I’ve got zero desire to fuck a dog, but as long as no physical harm is being done, I don’t see what the problem is.
If you want to talk about a people-fucking male dog becoming a public danger, that’s a different debate. But The Mermaid’s original posts in the locked thread don’t go far beyond “ewwww, if you have sex woth animals you’re a sicko!”
It strikes me that people who really love their pets, and people who really *love[\i] their pets are really not that far removed from one another: both have a tendency to assign their animals a lot of human characteristics that just aren’t there.
Well, I only have gold fish and no waaaaaay do I have enuff duct tape to solve that type of problem.
If you can’t see the danger then you either haven’t been paying attention or you need a cite or two to provide more information.
I am attaching no anthropromorphic emotions to the animals. B]Kyomara** it is you who is fucking ridiculous. I have never said a word about the dog’s feelings getting hurt. Quite the contrary, I am attempting to point out that dogs don’t have the ability to reason or problem solve. All they know is what their instinct tells them.
A human is able to teach a dog specific behaviors by capitilizing on the dog’s inclinations. You teach a dog to do something by somehow getting the dog to do the behavior and praising him for it.
For example to teach a pup to sit, the master gives a verbal or visual cue to sit then pushes his rump down to a sitting position then rewards the pup with praise or treats. Soon pup knows that the word sit will be followed by a pat on the rump, then a reward so he just sits automatically in order to get the reward quicker. Perhaps you have heard of a man named Pavlov and his experiments with postive reinforcement.
I don’t know if I am more surprised by the ignorant replies or the fact that everyone has not pitched in yet to buy this guy a psychiatrist visit. [
Ahh <gurgle> ggg <gurgle> <sneeze> Hahahahahah! <cough><wheeze>
Here boy! Fido! Fetch the peanut butter…
I love my pet(s).
Sorry about that, kambuckta, I can only take so many serious threads about this sort of thing at a time.
I agree with BlackKnight. The argument only works for some instances of bestiality. I don’t think you should be not fucking dogs or bears or any other animal just because it could possibly cause injury to you or others. I think there are better reasons not to.
Like I said in the original thread, “Eh.” Beastiality creeps me out, but my disgust isn’t basis for law. I don’t see that it’s particularly harmful to the animal, compared to the things humans regularly do to animals. I am unconvinced on the idea that it makes animals vicious, which really applies only to dogs, anyway. (Sheep are apparently still in the clear.) Mermaid, your first link didn’t work for me, and the second addressed the importance of dominance, but didn’t address how schtuping Fido fits in with establishing dominance. I’m not saying I don’t see the logic in your argument, but logical isn’t always the same as correct, and I’d like to see a little concrete evidence that beastiality makes animals more dangerous before I pitch in on the witchhunt for the dirty dogfuckers.
Again, I’m not saying that screwing animals counts as a healthy sex life. But it’s not against the law to be unhealthy.
I keep company with a lot of people of ill repute…
I have, in my day, associated with such social ‘filth’ as zoophiles.
They very much prefer the term ‘zoophile’. Because that word implies a sense of caring, while ‘bestiality’ implies a sense of abuse.
I have not known -many- zoophiles. But I will say thusly…
The ones I have known treat their animals with more love than some people treat their human mates.
I’ve never seen a zoophile choose a video game over their dog.
I’ve never seen a zoophile slap a dog around, and then force it to suck his cock.
I’ve never seen a zoophile take advantage of a dog, or sleep with it for it’s money.
I have seen zoophiles heartbroken to the point of severe depression if their animal is killed, or dies of old age. They are not losing a ‘pet’. They have lost their love.
I have seen animals treat their human mates with every bit of trust and loyalty as any other pet.
In my mind, there is a clear and definitive difference between loving an animal, and abusing a pet.
I don’t think the “having sex with animals makes them violent” argument holds up very well. Cecil says 1 in 8 people has had sex with an animal. If what you said were true, I would expect to see a lot more animal violence.
I’m not saying to go fuck Fido, I’m just saying that if you do you probably don’t have worry about Fido fucking with you.
My goodness, I seem to have stumbled across the dogfucking thread!
Sweet bearded Jesus!
2.5 * 10[sup]9[/sup] / 8 = 3.125 * 10[sup]8[/sup]
In excess of 31 million lambfuckers in the US? No way I’m believing that. Cecil’s on crack.
No, pravnik, you stumbled across a dogfucking thread. Do you announce yourself in every thread you read?
What? pravnik said that this was “the dogfucking thread”, I corrected to “a” (there are a lot of bestiality threads recently, this is a relatively small one). I then asked if it was s/h/its SOP to post a pointless comment to every thread they encountered. What about that is confusing?
Ben
Well isn’t that a false dichotomy? I’ve been paying attention, followed the one cite that is working, and still haven’t seen a clear link between having sex with your dog and chronic violence from the animal as result. To be perfectly clear: I understood your rationale, but I don’t find that it stands on its own nor was I able to find anything in the way of objective data to support it. Given the number of dogs kept as pets and the disturbingly high percentage Cecil gives as people who might be inclined to get amorous with them, there should be reams of data if violence necessarily follows sex.
I don’t even remember being in Rio. :eek:
There was actually a very interesting Great Debate on this topic here.
Well, that takes care of the cat-v.-dog “which is smarter?” debate, because cats can problem-solve. (Hell, so can squirrels, as anyone who’s ever gotten on a roll with trying to squirrel-proof a bird feeder knows.)
But getting back to the OP, it only seems to apply to (a) one gender of (b) one species of animal - and from that, it derives a sweeping conclusion. Even if The Mermaid has her facts right about what happens to male dogs that penetrate humans, that only speaks to that one species and gender.
Now I happen to think that human-animal sex is pretty disgusting - but I recognize that I can’t prove that everyone should feel the same.
And intellectually, I’m trying to figure out how fucking an animal is more cruel than raising an animal in a stall where it doesn’t even have room to turn around, and then slaughtering it.
While I may not be smart enough to put forth an argument lucid enough to convince all you dog fuckers to knock it off, I am smart enough to know when to shut up about it.
While it may not be causing the animal mental anguish and pup may in fact appear to be enjoying itself quite a bit, anyone who thinks the dog is not being damaged–according to our standards of what is acceptable for a housepet— is just deluding themselves.
If an animal is to share our living quarters successfully, it has to know what behavior is expected of it and what the limits are. A dog does not automatically come when called, sit when required, potty outside or know that it is not supposed to eat the couches. We teach them these behaviors because this is what we have decided the dog must do in order to be a good companion.
A dog who hasn’t been taught how to interact with humans in an acceptable manner will act according to its own instincts and its instincts are to either follow the alpha dog’s lead or become the alpha dog. Once the dog decides it is the dominant one, it will do as it pleases and the human will do as the dog pleases. If you have no problem with that then I guess I have no right to question your own personal choice.
If copulating with an animal is more preferrable to you than interracting with another real live human being then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps it is better that you don’t procreate after all.
Carry on.